Jimmy Carter: Apparently, America Wants A Jerk For President

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31 Mar 2018, 3:18 pm

Most excellent interview, President Carter. 8)

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/jim ... e50acdcc2d


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31 Mar 2018, 3:25 pm

America only voted for a jerk president because the corporate Democrats sucks at being genuinely compassionate.

America voted for a real jerk because they didn't want to follow up a fake nice guy with a fake feminist.


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31 Mar 2018, 3:27 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
America only voted for a jerk president because the corporate Democrats sucks at being genuinely compassionate.

America voted for a real jerk because they didn't want to follow up a fake nice guy with a fake feminist.


It can't possibly be because American values include being a racist a**hole..


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31 Mar 2018, 3:44 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
America only voted for a jerk president because the corporate Democrats sucks at being genuinely compassionate.

America voted for a real jerk because they didn't want to follow up a fake nice guy with a fake feminist.


It can't possibly be because American values include being a racist as*hole..


It's probably more complex than that.

Working class white Americans want to have a better life. Social democracy would give all working class people in America a better life.

Unfortunately, the corporate propaganda machine has convinced the American people that every social democrat is a castrating, anti-white psychopath.

Thus, working-class white Americans believe in racism because they are in such a hopeless situation. They believe that they can only rise up by pushing other races down.

In other words, American racism is generated by the upper class ... who don't actually believe in racism but use it as a psychological weapon nonetheless.

You seem to think that American racism comes from nowhere. Human beings are not naturally racist, so the racism must come from some outside source.


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31 Mar 2018, 3:48 pm

And at what point are the masses expected to take some personal responsibility for their own racism and say "This isn't working & isn't healthy, I refuse to continue doing it." vs. blame their rich overlords for the way they behave?

Maybe they'll start deciding to change when they realize that churros are more American than apple pie. *shrug* Maybe not.


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31 Mar 2018, 4:09 pm

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And at what point are the masses expected to take some personal responsibility for their own racism and say "This isn't working & isn't healthy, I refuse to continue doing it." vs. blame their rich overlords for the way they behave?


Well ... they should renounce racism for moral reasons ... but they won't.

I'd rather push for what is possible.


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31 Mar 2018, 4:10 pm

I'm American. I'm not a racist.

Racism is not an "American value."

There are racists in Canada, too.

Does that mean that racism is a "Canadian value?"



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31 Mar 2018, 7:08 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm American. I'm not a racist.

Racism is not an "American value."

There are racists in Canada, too.

Does that mean that racism is a "Canadian value?"


To be honest, racism is still pretty common all over the world because oligarchs love it.


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31 Mar 2018, 7:31 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
America only voted for a jerk president because the corporate Democrats sucks at being genuinely compassionate.

America voted for a real jerk because they didn't want to follow up a fake nice guy with a fake feminist.


It can't possibly be because American values include being a racist as*hole..


It's probably more complex than that.

Working class white Americans want to have a better life. Social democracy would give all working class people in America a better life.

Unfortunately, the corporate propaganda machine has convinced the American people that every social democrat is a castrating, anti-white psychopath.

Thus, working-class white Americans believe in racism because they are in such a hopeless situation. They believe that they can only rise up by pushing other races down.

In other words, American racism is generated by the upper class ... who don't actually believe in racism but use it as a psychological weapon nonetheless.

You seem to think that American racism comes from nowhere. Human beings are not naturally racist, so the racism must come from some outside source.


You really are big on class warfare, aren't you?

As for racism, I would imagine that it is naturally racist. People tend to dislike those who are not like them -- people who don't share the same beliefs, the same outlooks, the same customs, ... . It is man's nature, for the most part, to be tribal.

Side with your own family against other families. Side with your tribe over members of other tribes. The more someone else doesn't look like you, the easier we find it to side against them. And, in general, nowhere is that easier than with people of a different race. What could be more natural?

If you want to end racism, what you have to do is eliminate tribalism. While that is possible with some people, it isn't going to happen in general.



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31 Mar 2018, 8:01 pm

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As for racism, I would imagine that it is naturally racist. People tend to dislike those who are not like them -- people who don't share the same beliefs, the same outlooks, the same customs, ... . It is man's nature, for the most part, to be tribal.

Side with your own family against other families. Side with your tribe over members of other tribes. The more someone else doesn't look like you, the easier we find it to side against them. And, in general, nowhere is that easier than with people of a different race. What could be more natural?

If you want to end racism, what you have to do is eliminate tribalism. While that is possible with some people, it isn't going to happen in general.


Well said.



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31 Mar 2018, 8:19 pm

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You really are big on class warfare, aren't you?


DAMN RIGHT I AM!



How many times do I have to post this video before the conservatives here get it? The super-rich control basically everything.

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As for racism, I would imagine that it is naturally racist. People tend to dislike those who are not like them -- people who don't share the same beliefs, the same outlooks, the same customs, ... . It is man's nature, for the most part, to be tribal.


Nope. It's natural for people to be curious and inquisitive when other people are different ... as long as the other person isn't a total moron.

When Christopher Columbus met Caribbean natives for the first time, he didn't see them as vicious brutes. He saw them as innocent and childlike ... and then he enslaved them purely because he wanted to take all of their gold. The Caribbeans trusted Columbus and then he stabbed them in the back. Stereotypes about indigenous American being violent brutes came later.

You are also assuming that people from other racial groups always have other customs. Culture and race are distinct concepts.

Racism is not "tribal". That's a pseudohistorical myth. Prehistoric tribes frequently interacted peacefully and traded using the barter system. Racism is almost always a product of authoritarianism. That's why the most democratic countries in the world are also the least racist countries for the most part.

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Side with your own family against other families. Side with your tribe over members of other tribes.


There is a big difference between loving your own family and hating someone else's.

The world doesn't always work like a zero sum game. Sometimes it's better for everyone to just live in peace.

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The more someone else doesn't look like you, the easier we find it to side against them. And, in general, nowhere is that easier than with people of a different race. What could be more natural?


Bollocks. Racism isn't natural. I know this from personal experience. When I was a kid, I knew that some people had dark skin, but I didn't see them as dangerous foreigners. I just kinda thought that they were born with brown skin. I didn't think much of it. When I started seeing racism on TV as an older kid I thought "Ummm ... why are they making all of these weird generalizations about black people?" Ahhh ... childhood innocence.

When I was a kid, one of my friends was a brown guy named Omar. At the time, I didn't even realize that he was a minority. I never really thought about it.

Do you know what is natural? I had a huge crush on a black girl when I was in grade 12. That's natural.

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If you want to end racism, what you have to do is eliminate tribalism. While that is possible with some people, it isn't going to happen in general.


Bollocks.

In ancient Europe, the Romans saw Germanic people as subhuman apes. Nowadays, Italians and Germans just see each other as fellow whites.


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01 Apr 2018, 4:54 am

Are you serious? For the most part, the Italians and the Germans are the same race.

In spite of the fact that the Germans and the Italians have a great deal in common between them, they are definitely tribal differences between them. As I understand it, the Italians aren't all that fond of the Germans and the Germans are not all that fond of anyone else.

Even within the same country, there can be big differences between people in different states. Even within states, people from different parts of the state can find it hard to be accepted elsewhere.

It might surprise you, but the most racist state in the country is arguably Hawaii. There, the racism is against whites and blacks. Ever hear of "Kill Haole Day"? And if you are blond haired and blue eyed, try getting an inspection sticker at a local, islander owned shop.

For what it's worth, I think that whites are probably the most readily accepting of other cultures in general. Want to see real racism in action? Go visit the Arabs living in any European country.



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01 Apr 2018, 7:36 am

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Are you serious? For the most part, the Italians and the Germans are the same race.


The didn't see themselves as the same race.

In Ancient Rome, Germanic men were regarded as beasts and Germanic women were used in sexual slavery. It was also customary for Roman prostitutes to dye their hair blonde so that they would resemble Germanic sex slaves.

In the modern world, blonde hair is associated with "the majestic white goddess" or whatever the 14/88 crowd calls em' nowadays. In ancient Rome, dark hair was associated with regal beauty. Blonde hair was associated with disease-ridden gutter wenches.

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In spite of the fact that the Germans and the Italians have a great deal in common between them, they are definitely tribal differences between them. As I understand it, the Italians aren't all that fond of the Germans and the Germans are not all that fond of anyone else.


... and yet England withdrew from the EU whereas Italy and Germany still remain there.

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Even within the same country, there can be big differences between people in different states. Even within states, people from different parts of the state can find it hard to be accepted elsewhere.


You're obviously bullshitting me. I went on a vacation to London a while ago. Nobody there was rude to be because I obviously wasn't a Londoner. I've been to various parts of Canada and America and I didn't feel as though people were being discriminatory. People were generally polite to me in San Francisco. People were generally polite to me in Orlando. People were polite in New York City. People were polite in Edmonton. People were polite in Thunder Bay. I have no idea what you are talking about.

People were also very polite to me when I went to Rome as a teenager ... even though I didn't speak a word of Italian.

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It might surprise you, but the most racist state in the country is arguably Hawaii. There, the racism is against whites and blacks. Ever hear of "Kill Haole Day"? And if you are blond haired and blue eyed, try getting an inspection sticker at a local, islander owned shop.


In mainland USA, racially motivated violence is so common that nobody is even surprised when it occurs.

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For what it's worth, I think that whites are probably the most readily accepting of other cultures in general.


There are many sub-Saharan African countries in which Christians and Muslims have been peacefully coexisting for a long time.

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I'm already seeing it right here.

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Go visit the Arabs living in any European country.


Some of my best friends growing up were Arabs. Most of the bullies I knew growing up were white. Only one was non-white, and most of his friends were white.

I've never experienced anti-white racism from Arabs in my entire life.

Go back to 4chan already.


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01 Apr 2018, 4:54 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
Are you serious? For the most part, the Italians and the Germans are the same race.


The didn't see themselves as the same race.

In Ancient Rome, Germanic men were regarded as beasts and Germanic women were used in sexual slavery. It was also customary for Roman prostitutes to dye their hair blonde so that they would resemble Germanic sex slaves.

In the modern world, blonde hair is associated with "the majestic white goddess" or whatever the 14/88 crowd calls em' nowadays. In ancient Rome, dark hair was associated with regal beauty. Blonde hair was associated with disease-ridden gutter wenches.

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In spite of the fact that the Germans and the Italians have a great deal in common between them, they are definitely tribal differences between them. As I understand it, the Italians aren't all that fond of the Germans and the Germans are not all that fond of anyone else.


... and yet England withdrew from the EU whereas Italy and Germany still remain there.

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Even within the same country, there can be big differences between people in different states. Even within states, people from different parts of the state can find it hard to be accepted elsewhere.


You're obviously bullshitting me. I went on a vacation to London a while ago. Nobody there was rude to be because I obviously wasn't a Londoner. I've been to various parts of Canada and America and I didn't feel as though people were being discriminatory. People were generally polite to me in San Francisco. People were generally polite to me in Orlando. People were polite in New York City. People were polite in Edmonton. People were polite in Thunder Bay. I have no idea what you are talking about.

People were also very polite to me when I went to Rome as a teenager ... even though I didn't speak a word of Italian.

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It might surprise you, but the most racist state in the country is arguably Hawaii. There, the racism is against whites and blacks. Ever hear of "Kill Haole Day"? And if you are blond haired and blue eyed, try getting an inspection sticker at a local, islander owned shop.


In mainland USA, racially motivated violence is so common that nobody is even surprised when it occurs.

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For what it's worth, I think that whites are probably the most readily accepting of other cultures in general.


There are many sub-Saharan African countries in which Christians and Muslims have been peacefully coexisting for a long time.

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Want to see real racism in action?


I'm already seeing it right here.

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Go visit the Arabs living in any European country.


Some of my best friends growing up were Arabs. Most of the bullies I knew growing up were white. Only one was non-white, and most of his friends were white.

I've never experienced anti-white racism from Arabs in my entire life.

Go back to 4chan already.


So nobody is racist but whites?

Yeah, sure.

As for 4chan? All I have to say is that you need to grow up, little boy.



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So nobody is racist but whites?

Yeah, sure.


What? When did I ever say this?

Conservatives play the race card more often than liberals nowadays. Why?


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02 Apr 2018, 12:33 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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So nobody is racist but whites?

Yeah, sure.


What? When did I ever say this?


You sure seemed to be implying that.

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Conservatives play the race card more often than liberals nowadays. Why?


I haven't seen any evidence of that at all.

The people I've heard complaining of racism the most are definitely leftists, and it is always (as far as I can remember) about racism by whites -- never from anyone else.

What racism I've heard mentioned on web sites with many posters to the right rarely limit it to whites.