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12 Jun 2018, 1:49 am

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The BBC's Laura Bicker has the four key points from the Trump-Kim Declaration:

1. The United States and the DPRK [Democratic People's Republic of Korea] commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Recap: Trump's extraordinary press conference
Donald Trump has just given a long press conference to journalists in Singapore. A quick recap:

He said he would be ending "war games" - joint military exercises the US holds with South Korea, which North Korea describes as a preparation for war. Mr Trump also described the military exercises as too expensive. The South Korean government has said it is currently not clear what Mr Trump's intentions are.

He said the US would not lift sanctions on North Korea until it made progress on denuclearisation. He said Mr Kim had told him North Korea was destroying a major engine-testing site used for missiles. However, the details had not all been worked out because there was not enough time.

Human rights in North Korea were discussed, he said, adding that "it's rough" in North Korea, but also "rough in a lot of places".

Mr Trump said Kim Jong-un had agreed to return the remains of US soldiers in North Korea


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12 Jun 2018, 2:04 am

I was wondering what came of the meeting between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un.


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12 Jun 2018, 9:21 am

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Trump tells ABC News that he had prior conversations with the North Korea leader "over the last few months", something that that was not previously known.

"Yeah, I have spoken, yes, I have spoken to him, I have spoken to a lot of his people," he said.

Trump denied that the US nuclear umbrella over South Korea was on the table.

"They’re going to get rid of their nuclear weapons. We never even discussed the other," he told interviewer George Stephanopoulos after the historic summit.

All nuclear weapons will be removed from the North, he said.

"Yeah, he’s de-nuking, I mean he’s de-nuking the whole place. It’s going to start very quickly. I think he’s going to start now.

They’ll be announcing things over the next few days talking about other missile sites because they were, as you know, they were sending out a lot of missiles.

"It was a period of time where I was saying, what are they doing? Every week it seems another missile going up. I mean, they're going to be getting rid of sites."

The US president adds that the North Korean people "love" Kim Jong-un.

"His people, you see the fervor. They have a great fervor."


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14 Jun 2018, 10:52 am

Just Trump pandering to one of the worst modern day dictators, while he disrespected the democratically elected leader of one of our allies. Personally makes me want to vomit, is this what this country is now? I didn't hear about any time line by which Kim needs to denuculerize the country, no real specifics just that he says he will...I am not so sure he can be trusted. Also I don't think all the smiles, compliments and glorifying of Kim from Trump was necessary, in fact I think it was pretty damn disrespectful to this country and all the veterans who have fought and died for freedom and democracy.

Perhaps back in WW2 the president should have just made a deal with hitler, made him 'promise' to halt the death camps, I bet that would have worked. :roll:


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14 Jun 2018, 11:57 am

Sorry but that is not an argument. The US already supports and/or works with brutal regimes. Don't talk to me about democracy when the US establishment still hasn't accepted Trump's victory. Peace in Korea is a positive thing even if Trump haters cannot admit it.


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14 Jun 2018, 12:22 pm

What I find thoroughly amusing is the left attacking Trump with talking points from the right. If Obama was in office, or some other worthless Democrat, they'd be applauding him for exercising diplomacy and defusing a tense situation. Of course the hypocrisy runs both ways. The Pubs would be denouncing Trump's actions if he had a D at the end of his name. It's more than just amusing, it's goddamn hysterical! And totally indicative of just how badly Americans have been brainwashed by the "divide and conquer" agenda. Pick a team, just don't pay any attention to what they actually do and what they're supposed to stand for.


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14 Jun 2018, 2:37 pm

There is no way that North Korea will get rid of it's nuclear weapons, they are not that stupid; the United States just give concessions without any real guarantee, and only some "maybe", from North Korea.

There is also this bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE3eeCrVMr4

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14 Jun 2018, 2:40 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I was wondering what came of the meeting between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un.


Photo Op.

Other than that, not much that hasn't been tried before.

Suspending joint military exercises with South Korea and Japan is rather disturbing, though.



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14 Jun 2018, 2:41 pm

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What I find thoroughly amusing is the left attacking Trump with talking points from the right. If Obama was in office, or some other worthless Democrat, they'd be applauding him for exercising diplomacy and defusing a tense situation. Of course the hypocrisy runs both ways. The Pubs would be denouncing Trump's actions if he had a D at the end of his name. It's more than just amusing, it's goddamn hysterical! And totally indicative of just how badly Americans have been brainwashed by the "divide and conquer" agenda. Pick a team, just don't pay any attention to what they actually do and what they're supposed to stand for.


If it had been Obama that did this, the right would be very vocal in their criticism of him.

The amount of hatred from the far left against the right and from the far right against the left really bothers and concerns me.



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14 Jun 2018, 4:02 pm

While I am very suspicious it is way too soon to tell. Trump is right in that this is a limited statement based on meeting a few hours. I do know all conventional methods of dealing with Kim has not only failed but made things worse. I also know that sucking up to monsters has led to appeasement which has led to war and subjugation in the past a number of times.


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14 Jun 2018, 4:25 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
While I am very suspicious it is way too soon to tell. Trump is right in that this is a limited statement based on meeting a few hours. I do know all conventional methods of dealing with Kim has not only failed but made things worse. I also know that sucking up to monsters has led to appeasement which has led to war and subjugation in the past a number of times.


I think that the only rational thing for us to do is to demand unconditional surrender from North Korea. There is no excuse for us to be propping up such an evil regime as North Korea. Before we do anything to help them, there needs to be a complete change of government there.



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15 Jun 2018, 12:28 pm

kokopelli wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
While I am very suspicious it is way too soon to tell. Trump is right in that this is a limited statement based on meeting a few hours. I do know all conventional methods of dealing with Kim has not only failed but made things worse. I also know that sucking up to monsters has led to appeasement which has led to war and subjugation in the past a number of times.


I think that the only rational thing for us to do is to demand unconditional surrender from North Korea. There is no excuse for us to be propping up such an evil regime as North Korea. Before we do anything to help them, there needs to be a complete change of government there.


Nonsense. You already support worse regimes. The US itself has the worst human rights record on earth when it comes to their foreign policy. It has no right at all to make demands to other countries.


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15 Jun 2018, 10:20 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
While I am very suspicious it is way too soon to tell. Trump is right in that this is a limited statement based on meeting a few hours. I do know all conventional methods of dealing with Kim has not only failed but made things worse. I also know that sucking up to monsters has led to appeasement which has led to war and subjugation in the past a number of times.


I think that the only rational thing for us to do is to demand unconditional surrender from North Korea. There is no excuse for us to be propping up such an evil regime as North Korea. Before we do anything to help them, there needs to be a complete change of government there.


Nonsense. You already support worse regimes. The US itself has the worst human rights record on earth when it comes to their foreign policy. It has no right at all to make demands to other countries.


So much for any credibility you had before.