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21 Apr 2014, 12:48 pm

Nothing personal: The questionable Myers-Briggs test

The Myers-Briggs personality test is used by companies the world over but the evidence is that it's nowhere near as useful as its popularity suggests

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I was recently reviewing some psychological lectures for my real job. One of these was on personality tests. The speaker mentioned the Myers-Briggs test, explaining that, while well known (I personally know it from a Dilbert cartoon) the Myers-Briggs test isn't recognised as being scientifically valid so is largely ignored by the field of psychology. I tweeted this fact, thinking it would be of passing interest to a few people. I was unprepared for the intensity of the replies I got. I learned several things that day.

1. The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) is used by countless organisations and industries, although one of the few areas that doesn't use it is psychology, which says a lot.

2. Many people who have encountered the MBTI in the workplace really don't have a lot of positive things to say about it.

3. For some organisations, use of the MBTI seemingly crosses the line into full-blown ideology.


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21 Apr 2014, 2:18 pm

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The MBTI was developed during World War 2 by Myers and Briggs (obviously), two housewives who developed a keen interest in the works of Carl Jung.



:lmao: Might as well base your decisions on a test from Vanity Fair, created by a psychic dog.

Jung would not have approved.



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21 Apr 2014, 4:08 pm

My employer did a lot with MBTI. I found it spot-on and a big help in working with others. I still benefit from the better understanding of my own personality that it gave me.


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21 Apr 2014, 11:27 pm

Tests like this and their results are a guideline or approximation, not a doctrine result.



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26 Apr 2014, 6:43 pm

In psychology, there are many different theories of personality and its structure ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_psychology ), with one or more inventories designed to "measure" the hypothesised personality attributes. (There are several different versions of the MBTI, both official and unofficial.) These inventories usually consist of a bunch of questions or statements which researchers think are related to the theorised personality attributes. These researchers then collect and analyse data, which is used to refine the inventory. Data collection typically involves having a convenience sample (often undergraduate students) respond to the questions/statements in the inventory using some sort of structured response scale (e.g. the "strongly agree", "agree", "disagree", and "strongly disagree" check boxes). These responses are converted into numbers in a largely arbitrary fashion. Statistical analyses are conducted using these numbers (e.g. computing so called coefficients of reliability and validity), and the results are used to evaluate the inventory and the hypothesised personality attributes.

Serious methodological problems exist throughout this process (ranging from the untested assumption that the personality attributes are quantitatively structured, to issues about the phrasing and wording of the questions/statements, to erroneous use and interpretation of statistical techniques), but this process is standard practice in psychology and hence these problems are routinely ignored. In other words, there are serious problems with the MBTI, but that is true of most "measurement" instruments used in psychology and related fields.

If you look into the broader field of personality psychology, you will find some commonalities across the different theories and their associated research. As I recall, a lot of of them posit something along the lines of an introversion–extroversion dimension. Its exact form differs depending upon the particular theory. Many theories of personality also include some sort of emotional stability–instability (or neuroticism) dimension, but this is absent from both the Myers-Briggs personality theory (MBPT) and the Jungian personality theory (JPT) upon which it is based. So at best JPT and MBPT/ MBTI may be (crudely) tapping some aspects of human personality, and missing other aspects.



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26 Apr 2014, 9:31 pm

My MB type INTJ describes me very accurately.

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26 Apr 2014, 9:37 pm

It's as accurate as any other personality test, which is to say it's flawed in a lot of ways. The last result I got (ISTJ) seems to be pretty accurate, however.



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27 Apr 2014, 9:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:
My MB type INTJ describes me very accurately.


I am an INTJ as well and it seems to describe me fairly well.

My understanding is that many consider the Global5/SLOAN test to be a better test.

I am a : RCOEI

Extroversion |||| 12%
Orderliness |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Emotional Stability |||||||||||||| 54%
Accommodation |||| 20%
Inquisitiveness |||||||||||||||||| 74%



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05 May 2014, 9:13 pm

I don't think it's accurate at all. And it is flawed for the reason all personality quizzes are flawed. It relies solely on subjective account.



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07 May 2014, 9:23 am

Acedia wrote:
I don't think it's accurate at all. And it is flawed for the reason all personality quizzes are flawed. It relies solely on subjective account.


I agree. A lot of people don't know themselves that well. Some of the questions are not applicable but you have to choose one. Many fall in the middle range of the scale and can go either way. And many people are easily influenced by those close to them.

I thought I was INTP for a long time, because my DH is one and we agree with each other about everything. I also don't have many friends right now, so by default I can't be an extrovert. However if I think back my teenage years, I was talkative, had many friends, funny and was popular in school. I was definitely ENTP back then. So did I change? More likely I've always been in the middle of the E-I category and environments influenced which way I'd lean toward. Now that my first son is old enough and obviously an ENTP,, I feel I'm leaning over the E side again by his influence.


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07 May 2014, 9:30 am

It's a test, not a crystal ball. What people choose to do with that information says more about their own desperation for convenience. To be clear, a test is never going to fully define anyone. We are discovering ourselves every day... from birth until the day we die.



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07 May 2014, 2:54 pm

I always found this suspiciously similar to astrology. People often say the results apply to them: is this because they do, or because people are not good at self-description? They have done tests with zodiac signs by giving people a personality description that did not match their zodiac sign, yet they still thought it was accurate.



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07 May 2014, 3:56 pm

trollcatman wrote:
I always found this suspiciously similar to astrology. People often say the results apply to them: is this because they do, or because people are not good at self-description? They have done tests with zodiac signs by giving people a personality description that did not match their zodiac sign, yet they still thought it was accurate.


Yes. This does reveal something about human psychology, but not what it claims to reveal.



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08 May 2014, 4:59 pm

Acedia wrote:
I don't think it's accurate at all. And it is flawed for the reason all personality quizzes are flawed. It relies solely on subjective account.


Yes. There seem to be a lot of INTJ wannabes out there.



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09 May 2014, 3:33 pm

at least the Jungian system has some ideas behind it. unfortunately, he was also overly fond of quaternities as an intellectual icon. that sort of handicaps the empirical side of post-Jungian typology. there have to be exactly four functions, & two have to be opposites of the other two. and of course, a person has to be this way consistently (if not invariably), so that it can make sense to talk about psychological types as if they were phenotypes. not to mention what factors one's personal history can contribute. none of this is entailed by consideration of the functions themselves, as a scientific theory would require. in that sense it's an ideology.

i think used with flexibility & a fair bit of intuition, they can help make sense of the infinite complexity of human personality. the truth is, it does have regularities. and i believe it is not only possible to recognize some of these particular patterns in individuals, the patterns even appear in fictional characters. unfortunately the use of this mapping-system has been taken over almost exclusively by a bunch of literal-minded people who think that to pigeonhole is to understand, & a lot more who never even bother to read the books before they start flinging the jargon around. maybe one day a more sensitive mapping (i like to say: "256 personality-types") will be devised, & that too will be a service to humanity--just as long as it isn't built into an app that types everyone you point your camera-phone at!


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12 May 2014, 1:04 pm

WOW! A lot of uninformed comments! The MBTI tracks PREFERENCES on 4 domains: introvert-extrovert; sensing-intuition; thinking-feeling; judging-perceiving. Contrary to psychology, which is based in ideology, the MBTI does not label personalities as abnormal or defective. No one personality type is better/worse/good/evil etc. It simply clues you in to your preferences - a guide to choosing work, living conditions and relationships THAT SUIT YOU, not what someone has told you that you must do to be "normal."

And yes, there is quite an overlap between INTJ (my type) and Asperger's. The difference is that what are judged to be "symptoms" (problems) in psychology are "preferences" or normal human variations in the MBTI. Coincidentally, I just finished posting about the psych. / MBTI differences in my blog:

http://www.aspiemanifesto.blogspot.com