Why do liberals care more about illegal immigrants?

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17 Jan 2019, 11:30 am

Another thing with illegal immigrants is they get paid less than minimum wage because whoever does the payroll knows they won't report it to get higher wages because they will just be deported back to their home country. They will be caught that way so they get taken advantage of by Americans who hire them. They do it to save money and because they can pay them less because they know if they report it, they get deported so it works both ways.

I remember South Park did an episode about it except they used these aliens that came to earth and invaded South park and the residence started to get laid off. "They took my job."


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17 Jan 2019, 12:42 pm

^So then why isn’t there a big uproar against the businesses that take advantage of them? :?


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17 Jan 2019, 12:51 pm

The ironic thing is the number of left leaning media articles talking about how good they are for capitalism.

Almost reminds me of the south in the 1860's saying "we need our slaves".



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17 Jan 2019, 3:54 pm

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Illegal immigrants in my state can’t pay taxes since they can’t legally work.
Illegal immigrants can not pay feder taxes since the can not legally work.

Which wouldn't be problems if they were made full fledged citizens, something Republicans will never agree with.


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17 Jan 2019, 4:21 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
^So then why isn’t there a big uproar against the businesses that take advantage of them? :?



Maybe because no one reports it and this only comes from people who have seen it in person and known people who do it and this is what my ex's told me. Then that SP episode made sense.


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17 Jan 2019, 5:48 pm

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
sly279 wrote:
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They aren’t trying to escape a bad government they trying to come here to become rich or middle class to live the American dream. That’s not a valid reason for asylum. Or can I go to Canada to get a better life and claim asylum from democrats?


In fact, a great number are fleeing violent gang violence that has become epidemic in Latin America.


The thing that keeps registering with me is the complaint of how horrible and racist it was for trump to say there are violent dangerous people south of the border, and now that's what the people who complained are saying themselves. And I think the idea that all the bad people are staying there and only the good ones are trying to get in here, is unlikely.


trump isn't saying there are some bad people South of the border. He's painting them all with the same brush and saying they're all murders, gang members, rapists etc. There's a big difference.


He said they're sending us their worst people, their murderers and rapists etc. Liberals just don't understand, or pretend not to understand, the difference between "their" and "they're".

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Bad violent people are in power, mostly decent people are fleeing. How difficult is that to understand?


What I'm referring to is the talk of the streets being full of murdering raping gangs. I don't see any reason why those gang members wouldn't want to get in on the US gravy train.


*scratches head* The guy has lied at least 7,500 times, publicly, since taking office.


According to the washington post no doubt.

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Soooo he said they’re sending their worst people and you believe it? Have a look at the interviews of migrants.. they are regular people trying to survive.

trump is not a credible source.


What I was adressing is according to liberals if trump or conservatives point how much crime there is south of the US border it's racist, and then they go on to talk about how much crime there is south of the US border. And all 15 million and counting illegals are invading the US just to pick lattuce out in the field that's all. Even though 20 years ago the Democrats wrere saying they're a serious threat:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... b62b9027ea

Do you really think the media has made up 7645 things the president has said and not get sued into oblivion?

Every single lie he's told has been documented with the date it happened and the reason why it was a lie.

It's not opinion its fact



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17 Jan 2019, 6:19 pm

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sly279 wrote:
Illegal immigrants in my state can’t pay taxes since they can’t legally work.
Illegal immigrants can not pay feder taxes since the can not legally work.

Which wouldn't be problems if they were made full fledged citizens, something Republicans will never agree with.

So rewardnpeople for breaking the laws brought to you by the same people wanting to punish those for using their rights and make hundred million citizens felons
I’ll let illegals become citizens right after they abolish every single last gun control law.



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17 Jan 2019, 8:25 pm

enz wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... b62b9027ea

Do you really think the media has made up 7645 things the president has said and not get sued into oblivion?

Every single lie he's told has been documented with the date it happened and the reason why it was a lie.

It's not opinion its fact


I have read the claim that Obama told 50 lies, counting once. If counted Washington Post style, maybe it adds up to 10,000 lies. The claim was strong enough for Snopes to investigate it https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obamas-50-lies/ Who got sued into oblivion over that?



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17 Jan 2019, 9:06 pm

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^So then why isn’t there a big uproar against the businesses that take advantage of them? :?



Maybe because no one reports it and this only comes from people who have seen it in person and known people who do it and this is what my ex's told me. Then that SP episode made sense.


That's what I'm getting at. No one reports it. (or very few) But I bet if people started phoning ICE to report every business person that's taking advantage of illegal labour at cut prices & those business people were fined/charged.. guess what would happen? They would stop hiring illegals.. and then if illegals couldn't get jobs - in turn, they would quit coming.

But in reality, if people ratted out businesses who use illegal labour I bet most of those businesses would close down because illegals do work Americans refuse to. That's why crops rot on the vine when migrant labourers from Mexico aren't there to harvest them. It happened to trump's own grapes! No illegals to harvest them because he scared them off with his rhetoric and Americans refused to take those jobs.. so, bye bye grapes for wine, hello raisins.


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17 Jan 2019, 9:46 pm

EzraS wrote:
enz wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... b62b9027ea

Do you really think the media has made up 7645 things the president has said and not get sued into oblivion?

Every single lie he's told has been documented with the date it happened and the reason why it was a lie.

It's not opinion its fact


I have read the claim that Obama told 50 lies, counting once. If counted Washington Post style, maybe it adds up to 10,000 lies. The claim was strong enough for Snopes to investigate it https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obamas-50-lies/ Who got sued into oblivion over that?




I found this:

https://www.politifact.com/personalitie ... se/?page=1



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17 Jan 2019, 9:50 pm

If you guys could prove obama lied 7000 times you would of said something



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17 Jan 2019, 10:04 pm

As for this wall thing, I think liberals care more about not wasting government money when the wall won't keep them out. There are more cost effective ways to keep them out.

Conservatives talk about "balancing the budget" when they want to cut welfare but they waste billions on everything else, usually their self-aggrandizing pet projects.

Do you really want your tax dollars wasted on a medieval fortification that's ineffective in the modern world? Look at how many East Berliners managed to sneak over the Berlin Wall. But Trump's wall would be many times longer with unguarded sections tens of miles long.


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18 Jan 2019, 12:56 am

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^So then why isn’t there a big uproar against the businesses that take advantage of them? :?



Maybe because no one reports it and this only comes from people who have seen it in person and known people who do it and this is what my ex's told me. Then that SP episode made sense.


That's what I'm getting at. No one reports it. (or very few) But I bet if people started phoning ICE to report every business person that's taking advantage of illegal labour at cut prices & those business people were fined/charged.. guess what would happen? They would stop hiring illegals.. and then if illegals couldn't get jobs - in turn, they would quit coming.

But in reality, if people ratted out businesses who use illegal labour I bet most of those businesses would close down because illegals do work Americans refuse to. That's why crops rot on the vine when migrant labourers from Mexico aren't there to harvest them. It happened to trump's own grapes! No illegals to harvest them because he scared them off with his rhetoric and Americans refused to take those jobs.. so, bye bye grapes for wine, hello raisins.


And this is probably why liberals want illegal aliens in our country because we benefit from them.


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18 Jan 2019, 1:00 am

League_Girl wrote:
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^So then why isn’t there a big uproar against the businesses that take advantage of them? :?



Maybe because no one reports it and this only comes from people who have seen it in person and known people who do it and this is what my ex's told me. Then that SP episode made sense.


That's what I'm getting at. No one reports it. (or very few) But I bet if people started phoning ICE to report every business person that's taking advantage of illegal labour at cut prices & those business people were fined/charged.. guess what would happen? They would stop hiring illegals.. and then if illegals couldn't get jobs - in turn, they would quit coming.

But in reality, if people ratted out businesses who use illegal labour I bet most of those businesses would close down because illegals do work Americans refuse to. That's why crops rot on the vine when migrant labourers from Mexico aren't there to harvest them. It happened to trump's own grapes! No illegals to harvest them because he scared them off with his rhetoric and Americans refused to take those jobs.. so, bye bye grapes for wine, hello raisins.


And this is probably why liberals want illegal aliens in our country because we benefit from them.


I think it's a win win for them. Yes, they benefit from them. But I believe they're also compassionate about their plight and genuinely want to see them work hard and live better lives vs. get caught up in whatever the cartels are doing.


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18 Jan 2019, 1:33 am

Democrats do the exact same. They e never fixed benifits for example.



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