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16 Feb 2019, 3:45 pm

A joke is supposed to be mutually funny. So if a person's joke doesn't make the other person laugh, then their idea of what a joke is is pretty messed up.

And that's all I have to say about that.

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16 Feb 2019, 3:49 pm

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At an Indian craft fare I was at there was a list of rules.

One of them was, please don't pester the vendors by telling them you are part Cherokee Indian.

Stealing identity has gotten that widespread that this rule had to be made. Damn

Maybe because in old westerns there were Indian characters who were trail scouts. There are a lot of things named Indian Trail like schools, facilities, stores etc.

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16 Feb 2019, 5:09 pm

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Are you trying tar the reputation of Elizabeth Warren's native ancestry by comparing her to Rachel Dolezal?

Yes, two peas in the same pod.

Dolezal, who had carried out her masquerade as an African American in my own home community of Spokane, bears little resemblance to Warren, who had been led to believe she was a native American by her own family. The proof in the pudding can be found in how these two women's families reacted to their claims.
Rachel Dolezal's own parents finally outed her for her lies to the Spokane news media.
Elizabeth Warren's family never questioned her claims, as they all believed the same thing.

Warren like me, and thousands of other white people, was told she had a Native American ancestor. She then proclaimed in writing that she was an American Indian and signed it.

I am quite sure that Warren is just as able to tell the difference between having an Indian ancestor and actually being an Indian as I am. Warren took her 1/1024th% and pretended it was 100%.

I don't think she was the least bit "mislead" or "confused" regarding the matter - any more than the thousands of us who had (or might have had) an Indian ancestor.

It all a matter of who and what one believes is his or her identity.

She was lying.

How do you know she's lying about it? Can you read her mind?
Author Robert E. Howard clearly identified himself as an Irish American, even though his biographer, L. Sprague De Camp, had since learned from Howard's relatives that their family was mostly English with only some Irish. Does that make the late Robert E. Howard a liar, or does it simply mean that that was the identity for what ever reason he embraced?
Who you think you are determines your identity much more than who your DNA says you are.

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16 Feb 2019, 5:27 pm

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Who decides this? it seems the final arbiter of who a person's race they belong appears to be middle aged white men?

Native American tribes decide who qualifies for membership. Having a distant native ancestor also doesn't make you a Native American, much less a Cherokee. This is akin to the "one drop" rule where white people would call you black if you had a single black ancestor. It's wrong, and Warren was wrong to claim this, although she has been making amends lately. She's not a Native American, and she's certainly not a Cherokee. And I'm aligned with practically all of her political views. She can claim a Native American ancestor, that's it.

So do native americans demand some native ancestry? drop or drops? Australian aboriginals don't recognise the concept of blood/race as that was introduced by the British

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16 Feb 2019, 5:32 pm

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How do you know she's lying about it? Can you read her mind?

I think since she's a democrat that automatically qualifies her as a liar :lol:

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In contrast Donald "pinocchio" Trump can't get through a day without lying on twitter. But of course that's fake news :roll:

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16 Feb 2019, 5:36 pm

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So do native americans demand some native ancestry? drop or drops? Australian aboriginals don't recognise the concept of blood/race as that was introduced by the British

There is no universal standard. It's from half to 1/16, depending on the tribe, and/or many require genealogy documentation.

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16 Feb 2019, 5:42 pm

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So do native americans demand some native ancestry? drop or drops? Australian aboriginals don't recognise the concept of blood/race as that was introduced by the British

There is no universal standard. It's from half to 1/16, depending on the tribe, and/or many require genealogy documentation.

Interesting, so having a distant ancestor makes a difference to them? sounds like "white man one drop" thinking contaminating their culture

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16 Feb 2019, 8:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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cyberdad wrote:

Are you trying tar the reputation of Elizabeth Warren's native ancestry by comparing her to Rachel Dolezal?

Yes, two peas in the same pod.

It all a matter of who and what one believes is his or her identity.

She was lying.

It's a foregone conclusion that she was trying to take advantage of affirmative action.

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16 Feb 2019, 9:01 pm

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So do native americans demand some native ancestry? drop or drops? Australian aboriginals don't recognise the concept of blood/race as that was introduced by the British

There is no universal standard. It's from half to 1/16, depending on the tribe, and/or many require genealogy documentation.

Interesting, so having a distant ancestor makes a difference to them? sounds like "white man one drop" thinking contaminating their culture

Not too distant. In many cases it needs to be a parent or at least a grandparent. It's not centered on "white" though. The same requirement applies to someone of any ethnicity. Even native ethnicity. An Apache is an Apache, a Cherokee is a Cherokee. I don't know about Australian aboriginals, but American natives have always had separate tribal nations. Often two different tribes were enemies. Different tribes had/have different languages and customs. Different attire. Different ways of making things etc.

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16 Feb 2019, 9:08 pm

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

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Are you trying tar the reputation of Elizabeth Warren's native ancestry by comparing her to Rachel Dolezal?

Yes, two peas in the same pod.

It all a matter of who and what one believes is his or her identity.

She was lying.

It's a foregone conclusion that she was trying to take advantage of affirmative action.

Sure, but that doesn't mean she couldn't also have legitimately identified as a Native American.

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16 Feb 2019, 9:43 pm

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It's a foregone conclusion that she was trying to take advantage of affirmative action.

Sure, but that doesn't mean she couldn't also have legitimately identified as a Native American.

Alright Bill she was completely mislead and had no idea that she was really white. If that's what you need to believe, then I won't keep trying to insert reason.

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16 Feb 2019, 10:05 pm

EzraS wrote:

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It's a foregone conclusion that she was trying to take advantage of affirmative action.

Sure, but that doesn't mean she couldn't also have legitimately identified as a Native American.

Alright Bill she was completely mislead and had no idea that she was really white. If that's what you need to believe, then I won't keep trying to insert reason.

Taking into account that she's been a champion for consumer protection, that she's the terror of Wall Street, and that she stands for working and poor people, I find it hard to believe that she's actually some sort of self serving monster who had crafted a master plan to lie about being a Native American.
That's unless, if you think consumer protection, scaring the feces out of greedy Wall Street, and defending poor and working Americans is a bad thing, like your side of the aisles seems to rationalize, then she would be, I suppose..

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16 Feb 2019, 10:06 pm

EzraS wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

AspE wrote:

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So do native americans demand some native ancestry? drop or drops? Australian aboriginals don't recognise the concept of blood/race as that was introduced by the British

There is no universal standard. It's from half to 1/16, depending on the tribe, and/or many require genealogy documentation.

Interesting, so having a distant ancestor makes a difference to them? sounds like "white man one drop" thinking contaminating their culture

I think when British explorer Captain Cook arrived in Australia there were some 800+ languages spoken by different tribes. However membership to a tribe was based on kinship rather than bloodlines. In addition the concept of land ownership was foreign to Australian indigenous peoples as they saw themselves as custodians. This custodianship required paying respect to local spirit beings that were effectively seen as the owners of the land. Aborigines paid rent by giving offerings, or paying respect through chants and dances etc...

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16 Feb 2019, 10:36 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

It's a foregone conclusion that she was trying to take advantage of affirmative action.

Sure, but that doesn't mean she couldn't also have legitimately identified as a Native American.

Alright Bill she was completely mislead and had no idea that she was really white. If that's what you need to believe, then I won't keep trying to insert reason.

Nobody's perfect.

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16 Feb 2019, 10:38 pm

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Sure, but that doesn't mean she couldn't also have legitimately identified as a Native American.

She can't. Get over it.

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17 Feb 2019, 12:32 am

AspE wrote:

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Sure, but that doesn't mean she couldn't also have legitimately identified as a Native American.

She can't. Get over it.

Well, she can't now, and she's conceded that point and apologized. But prior to any DNA testing, I have seen no evidence that she ever knew she wasn't really Native American. Who you think you are determines your identity much more than who your DNA says you are.

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