Keen observation on the effectiveness of walls

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Keen eye, Jeff, keen eye.

This isn't a news story, so wondering what's your purpose in posting it here.

Hmmm, it's already been proved that walls at borders dramatically reduce people from attempting to walk across the border?

Walls don't stop people from going around, over, or under them. And they don't stop criminals who bypass the walls or who are already on the other side when the walls go up.

The Wall is just a symbolic gesture----of exclusion.

And Trump's Baby......

I know that, I said it's been proven to dramatically decrease people walking across the border. I would have to research to say exactly where(Saw it in a journalist report, the country had a drop from something like 1,200 people caught a day to 15 caught a day). The idea is to build a good wall, nice and tall(can just be a fence loaded with barb-wire(like portions of ours already is(save money)). The idea is to reduce the amount of people crossing by simply walking across, it becomes more of a challenge.

To me the wall stands for a border in which you shouldn't be allowed to freely walk across. Every country has borders people are not supposed to cross without being monitored for various good reasons. People generally have the legal option to try to enter.

Yeah, that's all obvious. Now, how about stopping those who enter this country legally by plane, but with the intent to over-stay their visas? How about stopping the people who use stolen boats to get around the wall and hit the beach running as soon as they get north of San Diego? How about the people who walk over the border from Canada?

While the wall may only be a good idea, it is certainly not a great one.

The idea is to 'reduce' the problem, any reasonable idea that can help is much better than doing nothing.

I still feel we should have an Ellis Island sort of place.....

I really don't believe most illegal immigrants WANT to be illegal immigrants.

People crossing the border illegally on land has been a problem for decades. That's why there has been a border patrol and many miles of fence long before Trump became president.

I'm not in favor of the wall, but the idea that people entering illegally on land isn't a major problem is disingenuous.

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I worry about the legal immigrants who are already here. I personally believe we should help them out before allowing people to just cross at free will(or better yet they should never cross at free will, you can import a lot of drugs without being checked, also people that get paid to sneak people across the border generally get a lot of money for doing so and may hold people for ransom and kill them if not paid in full once they make it across(it can be a very scary and damaging process)). I also worry about the poor and the very bad neighborhoods where the likely-hood of success is extremely low. I wish we could take some of the billions we use to 'attempt' to help other countries(while having the reverse effect) and use that money to help our country(Our poor hard life communities).

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It's definitely a major "problem"----because of the potential increase in population should immigration not be restricted in some way. I believe that is, potentially, the main problem with unbridled immigration.

Every ethnic group----whether native or immigrant---has their "criminal element."

The fact that the pre-trump government found it necessary to employ 20,000 border agents, tells me that it's a major problem.

I'd like to hear what they have to say about the claim that the majority of illegals arrive at airports.

Other administrations have also had a considerable amount of border agents.

There are so many people who want a better life. And many of them happen to be from south of the US border.

Yes, I do see the point when someone says that we have to "take care of our own."

But.....I believe people should also think about what's in the head of the Honduran who is seeking to escape what's going on in Honduras.

And should remember that the US, after all, is a "nation of immigrants." Many immigrants fled similar conditions as Honduras or Mexico back in the early 1900s.

Let's see ... 20,000 border agents along 12,036 km (7,479 mi) of border ... that's about 1 agent every 0.6 km (~0.4 mi), or 1 agent every 1974.5 feet.

That's a mighty thin spread of agents. No wonder people can just walk through.