Trump-Kim summit a failure
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Trump’s Talks With Kim Jong-un Collapse, and Both Sides Point Fingers
“Sometimes you have to walk,” Mr. Trump said at an afternoon news conference in Hanoi, the capital of Vietnam.
He said Mr. Kim had offered to dismantle the North’s most important nuclear facility if the United States lifted the harsh sanctions imposed on his nation — but would not commit to do the same for other elements of its weapons program.
That, Mr. Trump said, was a dealbreaker.
“It was about the sanctions,” Mr. Trump said. “Basically they wanted the sanctions lifted in their entirety, but we couldn’t do that.”
But in a late-night news conference, North Korea’s foreign minister, Ri Yong-ho, contradicted Mr. Trump, saying the North had asked only for some sanctions to be lifted in exchange for “permanently and completely” dismantling the main facility in the presence of American experts.
“Given the current level of trust between North Korea and the United States, this was the maximum step for denuclearization we could offer,” Mr. Ri told reporters.
He added that the North’s position would not change. “This kind of opportunity may never come again,” he said.
The premature end to the negotiations leaves the unusual rapprochement between the United States and North Korea that has unfolded for most of a year at a deadlock, with the North retaining both its nuclear arsenal and facilities believed to be producing additional fissile material for warheads.
Before ending the news conference to fly back to Washington, Mr. Trump tried to put a good face on the outcome. “This wasn’t a walkaway like you get up and walk out,” he said. “No, this was very friendly. We shook hands.”
“There’s a warmth that we have and I hope that stays,” he added.
Mr. Trump said that Mr. Kim had pledged to maintain a halt on nuclear and ballistic missile tests that is now in its 16th month, and that the negotiations would continue. Mr. Ri confirmed the North would not resume testing.
But further progress could be difficult now that Mr. Trump has broadcast that he and Mr. Kim have staked out conflicting bottom lines.
Choe Son-hui, one of the North Korean negotiators, told reporters after the talks collapsed that she feared that Mr. Kim had “lost some of his desire to negotiate with the United States.”
“As I watched the summit meeting, I felt that Chairman Kim appeared to find it hard to understand the American way of calculation,” she said.
The sticking point turned on what it would take for the North to begin dismantling a central part of its nuclear program — the Yongbyon enrichment facility. According to the Americans, Mr. Kim said he would do so only if all sanctions on his country were lifted.
But Mr. Trump and Mr. Pompeo said the North would have to dismantle other parts of its program as well before the United States agreed to such a big concession.
n response to a question, Mr. Trump acknowledged for the first time that his administration was aware of a second enrichment site other than Yongbyon, though it was unclear what role that played in the talks.
It was not immediately clear if Mr. Trump made such an offer or how Mr. Kim responded.
The first sign of the collapse of the talks came after morning meetings, when White House officials said a working lunch and signing ceremony had been canceled.
“I worry about the consequences,” said Jean H. Lee, a Korea expert at the Wilson Center, a research organization in Washington. “Did these two leaders and their teams build up enough good will to keep the lines of communication open, or are we headed into another period of stalled negotiations — or worse, tensions — that would give the North Koreans more time and incentive to keep building their weapons program?”
“This result leaves very little room for Kim to save face,” she added.
In Tokyo, Shinzo Abe, prime minister of Japan, said he had spoken about the summit meeting’s outcome with Mr. Trump. “I fully support President Trump’s decision not to make the easy compromise,” he said, adding that he was determined to meet Mr. Kim next.
When asked by a reporter about Otto Warmbier, the American student imprisoned in North Korea who died of brain damage after being returned home in a coma in 2017, Mr. Trump answered with a comment that echoes what he has said in relation to other autocrats: “He tells me that he didn’t know about it, and I will take him at his word.”
What Would War with North Korea Look Like?
America’s other big wars over the same period—in Vietnam, in the nineteen-sixties and seventies; Afghanistan, after 9/11; and Iraq, on and off since 2003—have been unconventional. They pitted a well-trained army with the world’s deadliest weapons against insurgents, militias, terrorists, or a poorly trained army, all with far less firepower and no airpower. In each, asymmetric conflicts stymied the United States. Wars dragged on for years. Death tolls were in the thousands—in Vietnam, tens of thousands. The aftermath—and unintended consequences—were far messier and bloodier. The price tags were in the trillions of dollars.
A war with North Korea would probably be a combination of both types of conflict, played out in phases, according to former generals who served in Korea and military specialists. The first phase, they say, would be a conventional war pitting North Korea against American and South Korean forces. It could start several ways, but two scenarios, both preëmptive actions, reflect how a full-fledged conflict might start—even if unwanted by both sides.
In the first scenario, the United States could engage in what is known as a left-of-launch strike just before a North Korean missile liftoff, or in the first seconds of its flight. This could be done kinetically or by cyberattack, although it’s unclear whether the United States has that full cyber capability yet. If the Trump Administration chose to thwart a missile test now or in the future, former generals and military analysts told me, North Korea is likely to retaliate, possibly escalating tensions into open warfare and unleashing weaponry Pyongyang feared it might otherwise lose in U.S. air strikes.
The second possible scenario would be North Korea initiating military action because of fears or signals that the United States is close to an attack. The signals could range from small steps, such as Washington pulling out diplomatic dependents from South Korea, to major actions, such as deploying more military aircraft, equipment, personnel, or even nuclear weapons in the South. Pyongyang could preëmptively attack to fend off what it feared was going to be a full-scale invasion.
If war erupted, the first phase would likely play out for at least a month, and possibly many weeks more. “North Korea is in a position now where its conventional warfare has atrophied over the years and not been modernized much,” the retired General Gary E. Luck, the former commander of both U.S. and U.N. forces in Korea, told me. “But it still has the numbers in its military—because of the type of regime it is—that it could execute a conventional war not far afield from the last time around.” It also now has a nuclear bomb.
North Korea has almost 1.2 million troops in its various military branches, plus another six hundred thousand in its reserves and almost six million in its paramilitary reserves, according to “Military Balance 2017,” published by the International Institute for Strategic Studies, a think tank. South Korea’s armed forces are about half the size of the North’s, but it has 4.5 million troops in its reserves and another three million in its paramilitary reserves. Partly because there is still no formal end to the last Korean War, only an armistice, the United States has about twenty-eight thousand troops deployed in South Korea, with tens of thousands more in the U.S. Pacific Command.
In the end, North Korea would lose a war, the generals and military analysts say. The regime of Kim Jong Un would probably collapse.
But the Second Korean War could be deadly—producing tens of thousands of deaths just in Seoul, and possibly a million casualties in the South alone. It would almost certainly be devastating physically in both the North and South, military experts say.
“The devastation to the peninsula would be disastrous, just disastrous,” the retired Major General James (Spider) Marks, who served in both Korea and Iraq, told me. (During the first Korean War, between 1950 and 1953, the United States lost more than thirty thousand troops in battle. South Korea lost almost a quarter million troops and a million civilians. In North Korea, just over a million troops and civilians are estimated to have died.)
Luck, a Purple Heart recipient who served in Vietnam and the first war against Iraq, told me “it would be a very tough fight.” “In the end, we would win, but the price we’d pay to get there would be pretty dadgum high,” he said. “There would be horrendous loss of life. There are twenty-five million people in South Korea within artillery range of North Korea.” North Korea has thousands of artillery pieces embedded deep in the northern slopes above the Demilitarized Zone that divides the Korean Peninsula.
Lost in tensions over North Korea’s nuclear program are its chemical and biological weapons, Luck added. “They are something to be worried about.”
As bad as the scenario for the first phase seems, the second phase could then get worse. “A war would not end quickly after the defeat of North Korean forces,” Mark Fitzpatrick, the executive director of the International Institute for Strategic Studies office in Washington, told me. “North Korea would not be immediately pacified.”
A conventional conflict could then devolve into the now familiar kind of insurgency that U.S. forces face in the Middle East and South Asia. Loyalists to the Kim regime might fight on in covert cells and costly guerrilla attacks.
“North Korea would not go down as fast as Saddam’s regime (in less than a month of the U.S. invasion) or the Taliban (in two months), but the aftermath would be similar and probably of greater intensity,” Fitzpatrick said. “North Koreans are brainwashed into believing that the Kim dynasty is deity-like and Americans are the source of all evil.”
Numerous war games have analyzed what it would take to eliminate the regime and its weaponry, he noted, but little has been done to study what might happen afterward. The same problem plagued military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan: they achieved their initial goals only to get sucked into open-ended quagmire.
Marks, the retired general, compared U.S. vulnerabilities in Phase II to problems with nato’s planning for possible war with the former Soviet Union. “No plans extended into the phase of conflict following war and the likely use of nuclear weapons to stop the advancing Soviet ground forces,” he told me. “Unconventional war fits no pattern, defies the military planner’s imagination—and might obviate the use of force in the first place.”
One of the big unknowns is what China would do if war were to break out in the neighboring Korean Peninsula. Beijing does not want North Korea to have nuclear weapons. The latest U.N. resolution imposing new sanctions on Kim’s regime produced rare unanimity among the fifteen members of the Security Council. But China is also North Korea’s closest economic partner; its southern provinces are heavily involved in trade with Pyongyang. Beijing views North Korea as a buffer to prevent Western influence along its border. It does not want reunification of the peninsula. And it would shudder at the prospect of North Korea’s collapse and future instability on its border, the military analysts told me.
U.S. air strikes against some North Korean targets might require flying not far from the border with China, Marks warned. And China would be just as concerned as the United States would be if another country came that close to U.S. borders. “North Korea is a subset of our relations with China,” Marks told me. “What impact would a war have? Devastation of Seoul, the unravelling of world order, and China on the other side with ‘enemy’ status. And if the United States and China are belligerents, everything is up for grabs.”
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Trump-Kim summit a failure?
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That Kim would give up his major barganing chip always sounded too good to be true because it is.
The greatest deal maker of all time gave Kim recongnition, created the climate for the south to make deals that will help the north, approval for Kim to torture and kill any innocent person he wants under as long as Kim says he knows nothing about it, and time to build more nukes. The greatest dealmaker of all time has nothing to show for it.
The time to do anything about North Korea was years ago, it is a fait accompli at this point that North Korea is a growing nuclear power. The only justification for attacking Kim would be if the US truly believes Kim is so insane that he would shoot a nuke at the US just for the fun of it and that he is capable of delivering it. Otherwise the cost of war is too high.
The problem is that we have not one but two immmature egomaniacs quite likely to blunder into war by trying to one up each other.
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Now Trump can claim he's a war hero now that he's been shot down in Hanoi.
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