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Is Michael Jackson guilty?
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No 28%  28%  [ 5 ]
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11 Mar 2019, 9:34 am

If you seen the Michael Jackson documentary Leaving Neverland, of the 2 abused boys, what did you think about it?

I think James seem very true in his body language and story even if I always felt before that MJ was deeply misunderstood and innocent. The other guy, Wade i'm not so sure of. Getting more liar vibe from him, a lot of touching his face when he tell stuff (signs of lying).

I dont know what to believe, just that I feel sorry about James but at the same time hope MJ was as innocent he said he was.

If you search for Wade Robson and compare him to James Safechuck, at least I can see a huge difference between someone who's really suffering and someone who's not.

Wades pics are "off comments" and his blog also don't get people to comment. His instagram seem to be some sort of production as well...


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11 Mar 2019, 9:43 am

I believe MJ was guilty. There's not much of a doubt anymore. When you research the characteristics of child molesters, he matches them to a T.

I don't deny the guy had a great talent musically, or that he did good things for children, but people aren't 100% good or bad. He was human too, and he had a dark side to him like we all do. He had flaws and imperfections like everyone else. Unfortunately, his happened to be a pretty serious flaw that led him to hurt children.



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11 Mar 2019, 9:59 am

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I believe MJ was guilty. There's not much of a doubt anymore. When you research the characteristics of child molesters, he matches them to a T.

I don't deny the guy had a great talent musically, or that he did good things for children, but people aren't 100% good or bad. He was human too, and he had a dark side to him like we all do. He had flaws and imperfections like everyone else. Unfortunately, his happened to be a pretty serious flaw that led him to hurt children.


Maybe you're right, but I still don't believe Wade anyway.

Even if MJ where a pheodophile people still can lie and take advantage if they spend time with him.

Neither C Feldman or M Culkin has said the were abused, maybe cuz they had there own money and have nothing to gain to lie?


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11 Mar 2019, 10:01 am

Whatever … He's dead, so what's the point in alleged victims dragging this story up out of the muck?

Besides the obvious: greed and being starved for attention, I mean ...



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11 Mar 2019, 11:55 am

Fnord wrote:
Whatever … He's dead, so what's the point in alleged victims dragging this story up out of the muck?

Besides the obvious: greed and being starved for attention, I mean ...


It's pretty common for victims not to come out until much later, especially if the victims are male. There's a stigma around male sexual abuse victims, with society tending to take it less seriously.

If MJ did sexually abuse them, and his estate kept quiet about it, it's understandable for them to want money. They were letting him get away with grooming and abusing.



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11 Mar 2019, 12:10 pm

They have a multi-million dollar lawsuit out against the Jackson estate which was already thrown out because they weren't credible. One of them did a 180 when he didn't get a part in a Michael Jackson play.

I'm not really interested in Jackson though. What I find alarming is the trial by media world we are living in. What happened to Magna Carta? People making accusations doesn't equate guilt. Jackson faced trial and was found innocent on all charges.


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11 Mar 2019, 2:32 pm

At the very least Michael Jackson's thing with children was very weird. Having little boy escort companions and slumber parties with them was just plain bizarre.



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11 Mar 2019, 5:18 pm

I have never seen it yet but I saw a youtube video and it was a documentary. This one lady worked as his housekeeper and she said she knew some disturbing things about him and told them what she saw but didn't report it at the time because she was too afraid to. When you are famous, you can do no wrong and everyone sees you with roses. She even had tears in her eyes and seemed to feel guilt for not saying anything about it back then so I knew she wasn't lying.

I would say he was guilty and why victims would lie about it not happening is beyond me. Even Macauley Culkin even denies it despite what this housekeeper saw what happened between him and Jackson. He had this house and would have kids come over, do sleepovers and even have them sleep in his bed which is very creepy and how could any parent be fine with this? That is right, because he was a famous singer.

I have heard of other things like how there was no child porn found in his room or how the LA police department plants stuff or seeing a youtube video of kids admitting to lying about being molested by him because their parents made them make that claim so they can get money. But I also find it hard to believe someone would make something up and cry about it. You would have to be a very good actress to pull that one off and this former housekeeper was no professional actor.

And victims not showing up to court to testify against them, that is very common in victims. Lot of them don't want to testify in court and talk about their trauma. This is why many victims don't come forward when they are raped or sexually abused so I find it plausible about them not coming to court to testify against him.


Lot of people out there are child like or have emotions of a child but they do not invite kids to their home and have sleepovers and even share a bed with them. I can gaurentee if he were not a famous singer and didn't have notoriety, he would not have gotten away with this and no one would have rose colored glasses. They would see a creepy guy and keep their kids away.


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11 Mar 2019, 5:24 pm

This is metaphorically taking a dump on his grave.

I think he was guilty for the reasons spelled out above and plenty of other places.

If he was guilty a miscarriage of justice occurred, he got away with it and nothing anybody can do anything about it at this point. Metaphorically shitting on his grave cannot come close to making up for it.

If he was innocent it is just further slander.

There were plenty of allegations when he was alive if you played his records then for whatever reason those reasons are still valid and if you ban his music now you are just virtue signaling by trying to erase history.


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11 Mar 2019, 5:50 pm

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They have a multi-million dollar lawsuit out against the Jackson estate which was already thrown out because they weren't credible. One of them did a 180 when he didn't get a part in a Michael Jackson play.

I'm not really interested in Jackson though. What I find alarming is the trial by media world we are living in. What happened to Magna Carta? People making accusations doesn't equate guilt. Jackson faced trial and was found innocent on all charges.


Even if he didn't actually sexually abuse anyone, his behavior towards children was inappropriate and suspicious at the very least. It raises red flags, regardless of him being found innocent in the trials. For a man his age to have so much interest in sleeping with kids that weren't his and tending to surround himself with the same type of kids (young boys), raises a lot of questions.



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11 Mar 2019, 6:05 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
They have a multi-million dollar lawsuit out against the Jackson estate which was already thrown out because they weren't credible. One of them did a 180 when he didn't get a part in a Michael Jackson play.

I'm not really interested in Jackson though. What I find alarming is the trial by media world we are living in. What happened to Magna Carta? People making accusations doesn't equate guilt. Jackson faced trial and was found innocent on all charges.


Even if he didn't actually sexually abuse anyone, his behavior towards children was inappropriate and suspicious at the very least. It raises red flags, regardless of him being found innocent in the trials. For a man his age to have so much interest in sleeping with kids that weren't his and tending to surround himself with the same type of kids (young boys), raises a lot of questions.


Agreed.


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11 Mar 2019, 6:17 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
This is metaphorically taking a dump on his grave.

I think he was guilty for the reasons spelled out above and plenty of other places.

If he was guilty a miscarriage of justice occurred, he got away with it and nothing anybody can do anything about it at this point. Metaphorically shitting on his grave cannot come close to making up for it.

If he was innocent it is just further slander.

There were plenty of allegations when he was alive if you played his records then for whatever reason those reasons are still valid and if you ban his music now you are just virtue signaling by trying to erase history.


Whether he did it or not, I still don't think we should ban his music or any other media appearance where he appeared.


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12 Mar 2019, 8:03 am

Even if Michael Jackson is very special in many ways he´s also a perfect target. It´s a very easy way to think that his childish personality with all his toys was just a way to get inside little boys pants, the sleepovers seems so obvious that makes its even more easy to put a label of him.

A "typical molester" would not be open with the sleepovers and answer naive in interviews "off course" if someone ask him if that´s really appropiate to let little boys sleep in his bed. A "typical molester" would not build a Neverland and climb up to the end of the tree and go around in different carousels alone at night if he´s just into sex with small boys.

A "typical molester" would NOT be childish in any way to hide any suspicions from other people, certainly no toys everywhere and amusementpark in his own garden, he would be certainly be dominant in some form that his own family and friends and workers would tell people about in interviews but they hasn´t. Corey Feldman and M Culkin always declined that they were in anyway molested of MJ, MJ´s own children never had said anything about those things either and not MJ´s friends children either.

The maid, correct if I´m wrong, was accused long back for stealing stuff from MJ´s house, so she had to go. Now, when he´s dead she tells that she found used underwear and was very suspicious of him being a childmolester.

All these 3 people, the maid, the 2 guys from the documentary has something to gain to accuse MJ - money and publicity. They are not successful themselves and need money and now several years after his death it´s a great time to ask for it.

They also never had done any lie detector tests that would help them, which I hope they do as soon as possible to get their stories true. People will support them if they do it and would end their never ending support of MJ, but as it is for now, the documentary is very very one sided.


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12 Mar 2019, 8:19 am

EzraS wrote:
At the very least Michael Jackson's thing with children was very weird. Having little boy escort companions and slumber parties with them was just plain bizarre.


Which could go either way as far as indications go. There's no denying the guy had a seriously messed up childhood, and that's bound to manifest is strange ways. Add to that his near infinite amounts of money and fame and...well...


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12 Mar 2019, 8:22 am

In any case, it's gotten to the point that I skip over every MJ song that comes on.