Supreme Court Allows Torture Of Missouri Inmate

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01 Apr 2019, 3:28 pm

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Supreme Court Conservatives Allow Torture Of Missouri Inmate

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/supreme-court-neil-gorsuch-eighth-amendment-death-penalty-torture.html


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01 Apr 2019, 4:04 pm

This country sucks.



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01 Apr 2019, 4:05 pm

That's a rather misleading tittle, aka click bait. The story is about executing a guy on death row, due to be executed. It has absolutely nothing to do with torture in the slightest bit. You don't really get a choice in how you want to die when on death row, what did this guy do to get on death row? The article is suggesting that the man who is on death row and subjected to be executed by lethal injection might have a slightly prolonged death, 1-2 minutes. That is not legalized torture. Misleading news has become way too common.



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01 Apr 2019, 4:12 pm

Rationalizing are we?



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01 Apr 2019, 4:21 pm

State of Missouri v. Russell E. Bucklew

973 S.W. 2d 83 (Mo.banc 1998)

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Russell Bucklew and Stephanie Ray had lived together in Cape Girardeau County until Ray decided to break up with Bucklew on Valentine's Day, 1996. Bucklew left their mobile home and went to live with his parents.

On March 6, Bucklew returned to the trailer he had shared with Ray, found Michael Sanders, the victim in this case, there, concluded that Sanders and Ray were romantically involved, put a knife to Sanders's throat and threatened to kill Sanders if Sanders ever came back to Ray's trailer.

Later that same evening, Bucklew returned to the trailer, found Ray alone, threatened her with a knife, cut her jaw, and punched her in the face before leaving. Ray reported all of this to the police.

Bucklew called Ray at work the following day, March 7. He threatened her again and promised to kill her, Sanders, and her children if he saw her with Sanders again. Ray moved in with Sanders, fearing to return to her own home.

Sometime during the night of March 20-21, Bucklew stole his nephew's car, two of his brother's pistols, two sets of his brother's handcuffs, and a roll of duct tape. He left a note asking his family not to report his theft to the police.

By the afternoon of March 21, Bucklew began surreptitiously following Ray as she left work and ran errands, ultimately discovering where she lived by following her to Sanders trailer.

Bucklew waited for some period of time before he knocked on Sander's trailer door. One of Sander's children opened the door. Sanders saw Bucklew through the window, escorted the children to a back bedroom and grabbed a shotgun. Bucklew entered the trailer with a pistol in each hand.

Sanders came into the hallway carrying a shotgun. Bucklew yelled "get down" and without further warning began shooting at Sanders. Sanders fell, struck by two bullets, one of which entered his chest and tore through his lung. Sanders dropped the shotgun. It went off and blew a hole in the trailer wall.

Bucklew aimed the gun at Sanders's head but when he saw Sander's six-year-old son. Bucklew fired at the boy instead. The shot missed.

Ray stepped between Bucklew and Sanders, who was holding his chest as he slumped against the wall. Bucklew invited Ray to drop to her knees. When she delayed, he struck her face with the pistol. He produced handcuffs, handcuffed her hands behind her back and dragged her to the car. The two drove away.

During the journey that followed, Bucklew demanded sex. When all of the acts he demanded were not performed, Bucklew raped Ray in the back seat of the car. Resuming the journey, Bucklew drove north on Interstate 55.

By this time law enforcement authorities had broadcast a description of the Bucklew car. Trooper James Hedrich saw the car, called for assistance, and began following Bucklew. They ultimately apprehended Bucklew after a gunfight in which both a trooper and Bucklew were wounded by gunshot.

Michael Sanders bled to death from his wounds.


Now ... what was that about "torture" again? What about his victim's pain -- where was his mercy for them?

When compared to the crimes Bucklew committed, what he will go through is trivial -- his fear of which is what has provoked the typical leftist reactionary propaganda in the OP's article.

Bucklew is a coward who is simply afraid to feel even a fraction of the pain that he inflicted on his victims (e.g., his ex-girlfriend, her boyfriend, and at least one cop). So, good riddance to bad rubbish -- let the execution begin!



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02 Apr 2019, 4:46 am

I have a better idea! Lets just go back to burning people alive like we did in the good old days. To hell with human rights! We don't even need to bother with a fair trial we'll just burn anybody we think is guilty. :roll:



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02 Apr 2019, 6:03 am

John Cooper Clarke - Suspended Sentence


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Henley Regatta - page one
Eat die - ho hum
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Giving a lunatic a loaded gun
He walks - others run
Thirty dead - no fun
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Do something destructive chum

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Say... "Bring back hangin' for everyone"

They took my advice - they brought it back
National costume was all-over-black
There were corpses in the avenues and cul-de-sacs
Piled up neatly in six-man stacks
Hanging from the traffic lights and specially made racks
They'd hang you for incontinence and fiddling your tax
Failure to hang yourself justified the axe
A deedely dee, a deedely dum
Looks like they brought back hangin' for everyone

The novelty's gone - it's hell
This place is a - death cell
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02 Apr 2019, 8:14 am

No one is being tortured. Every execution involves some pain.

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Justice Neil Gorsuch, who wrote the opinion for the majority, emphasized that the Eighth Amendment "does not demand the avoidance of all risk of pain" in carrying out executions.

Source: This Leftist Media News Article.

Again, why is no one expressing sympathy for the pain and suffering of his victims? THEY are the ones who need comfort and support (those still alive, anyway). The woman was beaten, slashed, tortured and raped. The man died a slow death from drowning as his lungs filled with his own blood. The child got to watch all of this happen.

Where is your sympathy for the victims?

Nowhere.

And people call me "malignant"... :roll:



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02 Apr 2019, 8:20 am

I do believe the VICTIMS should be attended to....much more than the murderer.

I happen to believe that people who murder just to murder should reap what they have sown.



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02 Apr 2019, 8:30 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
... people who murder just to murder should reap what they have sown.
He will. It's been over 20 years since he committed the crimes. His execution is inevitable. It's only a matter of time, and it can't happen soon enough.



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02 Apr 2019, 8:47 am

It's amazing how some like to step in to insist we should pander to the feelings of a guy that committed outrageous acts of violence, he even took a shot at a little child, and we are supposed to protect his feelings because it's theoretically going to take him 2 minutes to die by lethal injection?? Maybe he should had thought about that before he did all of that horrible stuff? I don't think he was too concerned about inflicting pain when he was the one in control, so it sure doesn’t make a lot of sense to set out to take the extra step to ensure he dies peacefully. What about his victim that slowly bled to death? He didn't get to go peacefully.



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02 Apr 2019, 9:34 am

It's easier to work up a good spit in the desert than to muster any sympathy for a man who showed no mercy to his victims, and who now begs for mercy because he's afraid of a little pain.



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02 Apr 2019, 10:34 am

Crimadella wrote:
That's a rather misleading tittle, aka click bait. The story is about executing a guy on death row, due to be executed. It has absolutely nothing to do with torture in the slightest bit. You don't really get a choice in how you want to die when on death row, what did this guy do to get on death row? The article is suggesting that the man who is on death row and subjected to be executed by lethal injection might have a slightly prolonged death, 1-2 minutes. That is not legalized torture. Misleading news has become way too common.

The issue might be that since manufacturers of approved execution drugs have stopped providing them to penal facilities, on moral (and PR) grounds, unproven cocktails are being used with death-row inmates as guinea pigs. Some executions have lasted 40 or 50 minutes before death, far from the 1-2 minutes you cite. Dying prisoners have spoken things like "I didn't think it would take this long" and "it burns" (the older, proven drug anesthetized them before the second drug stopped the heart).

Full disclosure: I am opposed to the death penalty by any means.


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BeaArthur wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
That's a rather misleading tittle, aka click bait. The story is about executing a guy on death row, due to be executed. It has absolutely nothing to do with torture in the slightest bit. You don't really get a choice in how you want to die when on death row, what did this guy do to get on death row? The article is suggesting that the man who is on death row and subjected to be executed by lethal injection might have a slightly prolonged death, 1-2 minutes. That is not legalized torture. Misleading news has become way too common.

The issue might be that since manufacturers of approved execution drugs have stopped providing them to penal facilities, on moral (and PR) grounds, unproven cocktails are being used with death-row inmates as guinea pigs. Some executions have lasted 40 or 50 minutes before death, far from the 1-2 minutes you cite. Dying prisoners have spoken things like "I didn't think it would take this long" and "it burns" (the older, proven drug anesthetized them before the second drug stopped the heart).

Full disclosure: I am opposed to the death penalty by any means.



That would be a mighty expensive system, it takes a lot of money to house prisoners. Or would you expect us to one day release a person who say, murdered an entire family?

It kinda help to put yourself in the victims shoes, if a person murdered your family, would you want him to live until natural death? People who murder others don't let their victims live out their lives, why should we let them live out there lives?



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02 Apr 2019, 1:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
It's easier to work up a good spit in the desert than to muster any sympathy for a man who showed no mercy to his victims, and who now begs for mercy because he's afraid of a little pain.


One of these rare occasions where I agree with you.

I'd like to go back to the good old long-drop.

There is nothing unconstitutional here either. The death penalty was the maximum punishment for all felonies when the 8th amendment was written. At that time, it was even legal to crop people's ears.


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02 Apr 2019, 2:38 pm

One reason I am opposed to the death penalty is that wrongful convictions happen. I'm not going to get into this debate here, I have other plans for this week.


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