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11 Apr 2019, 1:58 am

Like I said the left seems to need racism and racial inequality perceived as going strong to win votes. Seems to need to portray the right as white supremacist enimies. Needs to perpetuate a division.



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11 Apr 2019, 2:06 am

What's the deal with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? She's not running for president, so why so much focus on her?



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11 Apr 2019, 3:00 am

well no...there's also economic disparities, universal healthcare and universal education

It might surprise our local WP right wing fan club that when Martin Luther King went to Memphis Tennessee and was assassinated by a poor white that he was actually advocating for the Memphis labor council on behalf of both poor white and black sanitation workers and they hosted his now famous last speech at the Memphis labor temple.

I can't speak for all lefties but for me gratuitous economic wealth accumulation and environmental destruction are far more important issues than race.

At the end of the day the left have always been about wealth redistribution at it's fundamental core issues such as racism will be alleviated when all oppressed minorities have equal access to wealth.



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11 Apr 2019, 4:13 am

EzraS wrote:
Like I said the left seems to need racism and racial inequality perceived as going strong to win votes. Seems to need to portray the right as white supremacist enimies. Needs to perpetuate a division.


Or is it that no one but the left in the modern world sees fighting racism to be at the heart of their idealism?


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11 Apr 2019, 4:17 am

It's funny but it sounds like the oppression of minorities is considered a god-given right under the American constitution (if you believe the Trumpites). People who call themselves christians and support Trump should hang their head in shame.



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11 Apr 2019, 4:30 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Like I said the left seems to need racism and racial inequality perceived as going strong to win votes. Seems to need to portray the right as white supremacist enimies. Needs to perpetuate a division.


Or is it that no one but the left in the modern world sees fighting racism to be at the heart of their idealism?


What if fighting equals perpetuating?

How much is fighting and how much is political propaganda?

And how will it be decided that the war is over?

Or is the war supposed to have no end in sight?



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11 Apr 2019, 4:33 am

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well no...there's also economic disparities, universal healthcare and universal education

It might surprise our local WP right wing fan club that when Martin Luther King went to Memphis Tennessee and was assassinated by a poor white that he was actually advocating for the Memphis labor council on behalf of both poor white and black sanitation workers and they hosted his now famous last speech at the Memphis labor temple.

I can't speak for all lefties but for me gratuitous economic wealth accumulation and environmental destruction are far more important issues than race.

At the end of the day the left have always been about wealth redistribution at it's fundamental core issues such as racism will be alleviated when all oppressed minorities have equal access to wealth.


What do you mean by equal access?



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11 Apr 2019, 5:40 am

While he’s mellowed out in recent years, I wouldn’t say that being associated with Al Sharpton gives one much credibility. He was a veritable clown in past years who has smartened in recent years.

Yes, there is still racism, and fighting racism is still a noble cause. The average white and average minority person does not have equal access to wealth or a decent life. It’s much better than in past years because people struggled to make it better. Much work still remains to be done.

But the solution does not lie in the advocacy of some of the PC nonsense which seems to dominate “progressive” politics these days.



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11 Apr 2019, 5:59 am

EzraS wrote:
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Like I said the left seems to need racism and racial inequality perceived as going strong to win votes. Seems to need to portray the right as white supremacist enimies. Needs to perpetuate a division.


Or is it that no one but the left in the modern world sees fighting racism to be at the heart of their idealism?


What if fighting equals perpetuating?

How much is fighting and how much is political propaganda?

And how will it be decided that the war is over?

Or is the war supposed to have no end in sight?


Fighting racism perpetuates it? No, it's racists who resent seeing people they consider inferior finally getting a fair shake.
To say that fighting racism is propaganda denies the existence of racial discrimination.
Who knows if the war on racism will ever be over. It certainly isn't over in the here and now.


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11 Apr 2019, 6:47 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Like I said the left seems to need racism and racial inequality perceived as going strong to win votes. Seems to need to portray the right as white supremacist enimies. Needs to perpetuate a division.


Or is it that no one but the left in the modern world sees fighting racism to be at the heart of their idealism?


What if fighting equals perpetuating?

How much is fighting and how much is political propaganda?

And how will it be decided that the war is over?

Or is the war supposed to have no end in sight?


Fighting racism perpetuates it? No, it's racists who resent seeing people they consider inferior finally getting a fair shake.
To say that fighting racism is propaganda denies the existence of racial discrimination.
Who knows if the war on racism will ever be over. It certainly isn't over in the here and now.


What is the left, especially leftwing media doing to eliminate the division?



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11 Apr 2019, 7:40 am

Narcissistic,not very intelligent,right wing Youtube commentators seem to be dime a dozen.



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11 Apr 2019, 8:09 am

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Cortez is a moron middle class women, she didn’t grow up in the hood, I grew up right beside housing projects. You also have an odd, unrealistic view of politics, most people are aware that there are people who care and fight for equal rights on both sides, only dillusional people think their side is the only side which contains good people which fight for the rights of all. You apparently don't keep up with Cortez, she has a negative rating and pretty much cheated to get elected, her approval rate was like 22 the last time I heard, and dropping. She is saying it's because of old white republicans, the truth is the more democrats learn about her the lower her approval rate drops. She screwed them out of a lot of jobs, people aren't happy about that. She is only popular among regressive leftists, and there aren't that many in her own city. She only had around 1600 votes out of over 100thousand people.


And yet she has the backing of Al Sharpton and "excited" the largely African American audience she gave a speech to??
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/2020 ... ?r=US&IR=T

As I said your perception is unlikely to be a great gauge of African American voters. In the same way left leaning news outlets didn't gauge the white voter mood in 2016.


I wow, AL is backing her? The guy that a lot of blacks tend to make fun of? That's pretty unimpressive.

The fact that the majority of black have been tricked by the democratic party is only evidence of the deception tactics of democrats, someone already quoted one of them here, "I'll have those n***** voting democrat for 200 years". I'm not a conservative, neither is Trump, that's why conservatives don't like him either, he is not a team player. Also, there is a huge surge of blacks converting to conservatives, I amigine there are going to be alot more blacks voting conservative, I base that off of the thousands of videos on youtube of blacks saying they are walking away from the democratic party.



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11 Apr 2019, 8:14 am

Trump is an isolationist populist. He wants to be the CEO of the United States, Inc.



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11 Apr 2019, 8:30 am

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Trump is an isolationist populist. He wants to be the CEO of the United States, Inc.


What is that even supposed to mean? Because of his ego, he wants to go down as the best president in history, in order to do that he has to help america out, which In my opinion and as the economy reflects, he is doing a great job. I try to focus on his policy that is improving our economy. I think the reason his economy is doing great is because he is doing things to help small business out and isn't part of the corporations that normally influence america.

You loose me when you say things like he wants to be the CEO of America, america has no CEO. You loose me when you say he wants to restrict free speech for saying that media organization that constantly lie about him are fake news, if he is such a speech policer, then why did he sign a bill to ensure college and university campuses are allowed free speech?

In my mind, there is a huge difference in calling out particular news sources that have been lying the entire time he has been in office , that's completely different from attempting to produce policy that restricts speech, that he has not done. If media were to constantly lie about me I would call them fake news also, in reality, that's what they are. There are polls that reflect that also, a huge majority, around 70% of the population, has no confidence in media reports.



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11 Apr 2019, 8:41 am

Trump tries to stifle people who oppose him; it's well-known. Any little criticism sets him off. He goes on Twitter frenzies on a rather frequent basis.

I feel like you like Trump because he isn't like the Clintons----or like established politicians in general. Like he's a maverick who will change things. Like he's not beholden to the "special interests." That's why many people voted for Trump--they wanted "change." I don't believe they voted for him because of some "racism" in their souls. I don't believe people for him because they felt that "there is racism against white people." They wanted a change away from the "same old crap."

I don't feel he will, ultimately, create better conditions for disabled folks. He's not an advocate for them. He's more an advocate for Americans who feel they don't get a fair shake in the international business sense. And for people who believe in Social Darwinism----"dog eats dog."

I don't believe Trump will act in my own best interest. I can understand it when people say that Trump will act in THEIR own best interest.



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11 Apr 2019, 8:46 am

Because of him, we are now strong exporters again, yet another thing boosting our economy, because of his tax breaks for the rich, wages are going up, that is helping our economy, because of his tax breaks on the middle class, they have more money to work with, that is helping our economy, because of his trade deals our economy isn't getting shitted by other countries, that is helping our economy, because of his infrastructure policy, American companies are back in business and hiring more Americans, that is helping our economy and preventing China from putting our companies out of business by dumping cheap products into our economy. As I keep saying, that is a good thing because america, a country that actually pays it's people, cannot compete with a country that is allowed to push slave labor, they shouldn't be allowed to compete in the free market, keep in your mind, when you enjoy their cheap products, most of them were created by pretty much, slaves.