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16 Apr 2019, 12:25 am

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I've had plenty thanks. But the lies need to stop. This is serious business.


As far as I know, I've only spoken the truth.


Well then it's time to find other sources for news. The lies from the establishment media channels are getting more and more insane by the day. It's now even gone past Alex Jones/David Icke level or lunacy. Once their lies fall apart they just double down and fund even more outrageous lies and conspiracy theories.


I'll believe you when CNN and MSNBC claim children murdered in a school shooting had never existed, and that everyone else were "crisis actors."


hear hear, so far it's only been stuff like fake dossiers, nonexistent "pee tapes" and a collusion hoax. Nazis everywhere. The world is coming to an end in a few years. Oh and that racist kid who attacked a veteran by smiling at him.


Who says all that stuff is fake? Trump and company is who, and thus the why is evident.


It is all fake. The burden of truth is on those making the fake claims. CNN and the rest of them pushed the 'gas attacks' in Syria that were all carried out by the Jihadists or were fake. And the Iraq lies, babies out of incubators. You just keep deflecting.


We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


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16 Apr 2019, 12:37 am

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We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


If Trump is the terrible monster you proclaim, then you should be resisting Trumps attempt to criminalize journalism through the indictment of Assange.



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16 Apr 2019, 12:56 am

SpiceWolf wrote:
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We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


If Trump is the terrible monster you proclaim, then you should be resisting Trumps attempt to criminalize journalism through the indictment of Assange.


Trump probably has nothing to do with that. In fact, it was Wikileaks who had been involved in the Russian hack of the DNC and Clinton emails. Back then, Trump was singing the praises of Assange and Wikileaks, which have sold their soul and become a creature of Russian intelligence.


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16 Apr 2019, 1:39 am

SpiceWolf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


If Trump is the terrible monster you proclaim, then you should be resisting Trumps attempt to criminalize journalism through the indictment of Assange.


If Trump had a whistleblower arrested they would be making the usual comparisons to Hitler et al.



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16 Apr 2019, 1:52 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I've had plenty thanks. But the lies need to stop. This is serious business.


As far as I know, I've only spoken the truth.


Well then it's time to find other sources for news. The lies from the establishment media channels are getting more and more insane by the day. It's now even gone past Alex Jones/David Icke level or lunacy. Once their lies fall apart they just double down and fund even more outrageous lies and conspiracy theories.


I'll believe you when CNN and MSNBC claim children murdered in a school shooting had never existed, and that everyone else were "crisis actors."


hear hear, so far it's only been stuff like fake dossiers, nonexistent "pee tapes" and a collusion hoax. Nazis everywhere. The world is coming to an end in a few years. Oh and that racist kid who attacked a veteran by smiling at him.


Who says all that stuff is fake? Trump and company is who, and thus the why is evident.


It is all fake. The burden of truth is on those making the fake claims. CNN and the rest of them pushed the 'gas attacks' in Syria that were all carried out by the Jihadists or were fake. And the Iraq lies, babies out of incubators. You just keep deflecting.


We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


And all of that amounts to grasping at straws. What was needed was for Robert Mueller to conclude those things amounted to collusion and that did not happen. But that also is a collusion conspiracy. And if/when the report is made public, it will likely be spun and twisted to no end along with conspiracy theories that it was tampered with before being released. I expect the same thing if the president's tax records are released. Yes, just like the birthers continuing to claim Obama was born in Kenya and that the birth certificate that was eventually made public was a forgery.



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16 Apr 2019, 1:57 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
SpiceWolf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


If Trump is the terrible monster you proclaim, then you should be resisting Trumps attempt to criminalize journalism through the indictment of Assange.


Trump probably has nothing to do with that.


You say that, but :-
Trump is, at this point in time, the President of the USA and :-

Mike Pompeo is a Trump Appointee.
Jeff Sessions and William Barr, Trump Appointees.
Kevin McAleena and Devid Pekoske are Trump Appointees.
Dan Coats is a Trump Appointee.
Gina Haspel is a Trump Appointee.

So all of Trumps hand-picked loyalists are going after Assange because, their boss asked them not to????
Do you think such a claim makes *any* sense, at all?



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16 Apr 2019, 2:04 am

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/11/the ... -freedoms/

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The indictment of Julian Assange unsealed today by the Trump Justice Department poses grave threats to press freedoms, not only in the U.S. but around the world. The charging document and accompanying extradition request from the U.S. government, used by the U.K. police to arrest Assange once Ecuador officially withdrew its asylum protection, seeks to criminalize numerous activities at the core of investigative journalism.


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So much of what has been reported today about this indictment has been false. Two facts in particular have been utterly distorted by the DOJ and then misreported by numerous media organizations.


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The first crucial fact about the indictment is that its key allegation — that Assange did not merely receive classified documents from Chelsea Manning but tried to help her crack a password in order to cover her tracks — is not new. It was long known by the Obama DOJ and was explicitly part of Manning’s trial, yet the Obama DOJ — not exactly renowned for being stalwart guardians of press freedoms — concluded that it could not and should not prosecute Assange because indicting him would pose serious threats to press freedom.


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The other key fact being widely misreported is that the indictment accuses Assange of trying to help Manning obtain access to document databases to which she had no valid access: i.e., hacking rather than journalism. But the indictment alleges no such thing. Rather, it simply accuses Assange of trying to help Manning log into the Defense Department’s computers using a different username so that she could maintain her anonymity.


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In other words, the indictment seeks to criminalize what journalists are not only permitted but ethically required to do: take steps to help their sources maintain their anonymity. As longtime Assange lawyer Barry Pollack put it: “The factual allegations … boil down to encouraging a source to provide him information and taking efforts to protect the identity of that source. Journalists around the world should be deeply troubled by these unprecedented criminal charges.”
That’s why the indictment poses such a grave threat to press freedom. It characterizes as a felony many actions that journalists are not just permitted but required to take in order to conduct sensitive reporting in the digital age.
(Emphasis mine).

You can read the linked article for the full breakdown it's quite extensive and well written.



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16 Apr 2019, 2:09 am

SpiceWolf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
SpiceWolf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


If Trump is the terrible monster you proclaim, then you should be resisting Trumps attempt to criminalize journalism through the indictment of Assange.


Trump probably has nothing to do with that.


You say that, but :-
Trump is, at this point in time, the President of the USA and :-

Mike Pompeo is a Trump Appointee.
Jeff Sessions and William Barr, Trump Appointees.
Kevin McAleena and Devid Pekoske are Trump Appointees.
Dan Coats is a Trump Appointee.
Gina Haspel is a Trump Appointee.

So all of Trumps hand-picked loyalists are going after Assange because, their boss asked them not to????
Do you think such a claim makes *any* sense, at all?


There was a warrant for wh***y even before Trump was President.


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16 Apr 2019, 2:15 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
I've had plenty thanks. But the lies need to stop. This is serious business.


As far as I know, I've only spoken the truth.


Well then it's time to find other sources for news. The lies from the establishment media channels are getting more and more insane by the day. It's now even gone past Alex Jones/David Icke level or lunacy. Once their lies fall apart they just double down and fund even more outrageous lies and conspiracy theories.


I'll believe you when CNN and MSNBC claim children murdered in a school shooting had never existed, and that everyone else were "crisis actors."


hear hear, so far it's only been stuff like fake dossiers, nonexistent "pee tapes" and a collusion hoax. Nazis everywhere. The world is coming to an end in a few years. Oh and that racist kid who attacked a veteran by smiling at him.


Who says all that stuff is fake? Trump and company is who, and thus the why is evident.


It is all fake. The burden of truth is on those making the fake claims. CNN and the rest of them pushed the 'gas attacks' in Syria that were all carried out by the Jihadists or were fake. And the Iraq lies, babies out of incubators. You just keep deflecting.


We know Team Trump met with Russian agents in Trump Tower.
We know Trump was negotiating to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the election.
We know Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
And on and on with provable stuff.


And all of that amounts to grasping at straws. What was needed was for Robert Mueller to conclude those things amounted to collusion and that did not happen. But that also is a collusion conspiracy. And if/when the report is made public, it will likely be spun and twisted to no end along with conspiracy theories that it was tampered with before being released. I expect the same thing if the president's tax records are released. Yes, just like the birthers continuing to claim Obama was born in Kenya and that the birth certificate that was eventually made public was a forgery.


What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


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16 Apr 2019, 2:23 am

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There was a warrant for wh***y even before Trump was President.


Yes, the attacks on wikileaks, and press freedom in general, have been fairly bipartisan in Washington and they have not only continued but escalated in severity under Trump.

So, why are you so eager to give this president, whom you consider a monster, even more power over the press through this indictment?



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16 Apr 2019, 2:30 am

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What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.



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16 Apr 2019, 3:26 am

I'm surprised the Australian government is not doing anything to bring him back home?



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16 Apr 2019, 4:59 am

EzraS wrote:
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What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.


I'm willing to chance it.


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16 Apr 2019, 5:04 am

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There was a warrant for wh***y even before Trump was President.


Yes, the attacks on wikileaks, and press freedom in general, have been fairly bipartisan in Washington and they have not only continued but escalated in severity under Trump.

So, why are you so eager to give this president, whom you consider a monster, even more power over the press through this indictment?


As I've already stated, Assange and his organization have become close allies of Trump and his Russian friends. They will continue to work hand-in-glove for the Putin dictatorship. Sending wh***y to trial and perhaps even convicting him isn't going to help along autocracy in America, but possibly will help stop Russia's tentacles from further infiltrating this country.


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16 Apr 2019, 5:28 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.


I'm willing to chance it.


Well then if it all backfires and Trump gets reelected, I don't want to hear any complaints. Looking at the scoreboard so far, the odds seem way in favor of continual backfires.



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16 Apr 2019, 5:44 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
What Mueller did was open the door for the bee hive of investigations Trump will have to face. Among them will be investigations into Trump's tax returns (the fact that he desperately doesn't want to release them speaks volumes), as well as obstruction of justice.
Trump's crowing is premature, as we don't know what's really in the report. But people who do are Mueller's investigators, and they say the Cheeto has not only been not exonerated, but that he's in deeper sh*t than Barr has let on.


The more investigations and hearings that take place, like the Mueller nothing and the Cummings Cohen nothing, the better it will be for Trump and the worse it will be for the Democrats. It's always been a gamble and so far it's ended up in Trump's favor, with his claims of a hoax, a witch hunt and fake news seeming more and more likely the case. Seen as just a ridiculous and messed up attempt to depose a president.


I'm willing to chance it.


Well then if it all backfires and Trump gets reelected, I don't want to hear any complaints. Looking at the scoreboard so far, the odds seem way in favor of continual backfires.


Of course I'm still going to complain. :duh:


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