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06 Sep 2019, 11:52 pm

The victim in the now infamous Brock Turner rape case at Stanford University has now revealed her identity in a bid to fight attempts by Brock Turner's father to deregister him as a sex offender.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real- ... fe04e84303

Chanel Miller who raped behind a dumpster has had to endure the 3 month sentence given to wealthy frat boy Brock Turner who was largely exonerated the by presiding judge because he didn't want to disrupt his career. The judgement resulted in global outrage.

Miller revealed her identity to the press after Turner's father asked his son's lawyers to request Brock be deregistered as a sex offender. Turner’s father, Dan, spoke out after his son’s conviction, saying it was a “steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action”.Turner’s father even went on to suggest his son could have become a role model for young people by educating them “about the dangers of alcohol consumption and sexual promiscuity”.

You gotta love wealthy folk, they seem to live in an alternate universe.



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07 Sep 2019, 12:03 am

It's not just wealthy people who try to make crazy deals. Especially when it comes to parents.



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07 Sep 2019, 12:11 am

The Turner's were able to afford expensive defence lawyers....that's the first thing

Second the judge was probably a bit of wealthy frat boy himself (e.g. Brett Kavanaugh) so was sympathetic to Brock Turner.

Third the father made it seem like his son was the victim, appealing through the media.

If a "homeboy" from the hood raped a drunk white girl he would be spending at least 14 years of his life in jail.



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07 Sep 2019, 12:30 am

That is right, if you work hard enough to become successful you can afford good attorneys.

The judge was probably? Based on what outside of what you want to make up about him?

I have seen parents from all walks of life claiming their kid is innocent, was set up, was a victim etc.

Of course this is about racism with you.



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07 Sep 2019, 1:39 am

EzraS wrote:
That is right, if you work hard enough to become successful you can afford good attorneys.

The judge was probably? Based on what outside of what you want to make up about him?

I have seen parents from all walks of life claiming their kid is innocent, was set up, was a victim etc.

Of course this is about racism with you.


No it's not about race, it's about money....the homeboy wouldn't have the money to afford anything except legal aid and he wouldn't have the judge's sympathy/support

For example Bill Cosby and OJ Simpson managed to avoid jail for the crimes they committed due their expensive defence lawyers despite also having millions of angry whites hating their guts and wanting their blood. Of course they both eventually did pay but both were old men by then.



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07 Sep 2019, 1:55 am

It is about race that is why you specified a homeboy from the hood raping a white girl. White privilege, white supremacy, the usual. White men with careers are the scum of the earth and everyone else is their victim, repeat, repeat, ad infinitum.

I follow the law a bit and I often hear about crimes committed by homeboys from the hood who have had multiple convictions but served very little jail time. The usual "why was this person out on the street?" question being asked after someone finally ends up dead.



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07 Sep 2019, 3:01 am

EzraS wrote:
It is about race that is why you specified a homeboy from the hood raping a white girl. White privilege, white supremacy, the usual. White men with careers are the scum of the earth and everyone else is their victim, repeat, repeat, ad infinitum.

I follow the law a bit and I often hear about crimes committed by homeboys from the hood who have had multiple convictions but served very little jail time. The usual "why was this person out on the street?" question being asked after someone finally ends up dead.


You missed what I said about OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby...Money talks



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07 Sep 2019, 3:31 am

If you see my thread about what advantages wealth should convey over in PPR, I think this is a failing of our legal system. Wealthy individuals can hire better lawyers and get better legal outcomes. While I'm generally in favor of capitalism (as I've argued ad nauseum), the punishment for crimes should be the same regardless of background.

As for Turner's father, a lot of parents have glaring blind spots for their children.


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07 Sep 2019, 3:33 am

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
It is about race that is why you specified a homeboy from the hood raping a white girl. White privilege, white supremacy, the usual. White men with careers are the scum of the earth and everyone else is their victim, repeat, repeat, ad infinitum.

I follow the law a bit and I often hear about crimes committed by homeboys from the hood who have had multiple convictions but served very little jail time. The usual "why was this person out on the street?" question being asked after someone finally ends up dead.


You missed what I said about OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby...Money talks


No I didn't. That's why I brought up the long line of homeboys from the hood with multiple convictions and little jail time served. You want to believe that only rich people get off the hook, but that is hardly the case. Time and time again I see cases of non-rich career criminals who are black, brown and white with a "rap sheet (criminal record) a mile long" running around loose.

And just as a reminder OJ did 9 years in jail for armed robbery. OJ walked from the Nichole Simpson murder because the prosecution did a horrible job. "Mr. Simpson try on the glove" is considered one of the worst blunders in trial history and there were many more along with that. Cosby did finally end up in jail. His was not by far the only case that has been dragged out forever.



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07 Sep 2019, 4:26 am

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As for Turner's father, a lot of parents have glaring blind spots for their children.


The article I posted was about the bravery of Chanel Miller in going public because she felt her case was mishandled. Brock's father is not helping by claiming his rapist son is some type of role model. They both look stupid.



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07 Sep 2019, 4:42 am

pure evil. to paraphase a quote of dorothy parker's, you can tell what god thinks of money by looking at the people he gave it to.



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07 Sep 2019, 5:20 am

cyberdad wrote:
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As for Turner's father, a lot of parents have glaring blind spots for their children.


The article I posted was about the bravery of Chanel Miller in going public because she felt her case was mishandled. Brock's father is not helping by claiming his rapist son is some type of role model. They both look stupid.


I applaud Chanel's decision to go public. It's not easy being elevated to the public limelight, and she has a legitimate gripe with how the case was handled. Go through all the of the brutal legal process so that there is the evidence necessary for a conviction to be made and the judge lets him off easy? That is an outrage.

However, your post is titled after Turner's father's moronic assertion his son could be a role model. Yes, it's stupid as hell, but lots of parents do or say stupid things for their children. Not long ago we had a thread on a mother who was pleading that her son who was arrested for making a threat to shoot up his school was "just joking."

Humans are evolutionarily hardwired to protect their children. I see nothing here besides a father grasping at straws to protect his son.


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07 Sep 2019, 5:44 am

auntblabby wrote:
pure evil. to paraphase a quote of dorothy parker's, you can tell what god thinks of money by looking at the people he gave it to.


As opposed to all the scumbags and criminals he didn't give it to.



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07 Sep 2019, 7:26 pm

Antrax wrote:
However, your post is titled after Turner's father's moronic assertion his son could be a role model. Yes, it's stupid as hell, but lots of parents do or say stupid things for their children. Not long ago we had a thread on a mother who was pleading that her son who was arrested for making a threat to shoot up his school was "just joking."
Humans are evolutionarily hardwired to protect their children. I see nothing here besides a father grasping at straws to protect his son.


The difference though is the mother had a duty to advocate for her son as he hadn't committed any crime and she was hoping to keep him out of jail. Of course if the repercussion of releasing him is that he does end up shooting his schoolmates then that's another matter (but a hypothetical one).

Brock Turner's father is defending his son's rape of Chanel Miller. That's really quite disgraceful as the damage has been done. If you read his comments that he equated the rape/violation of Miller to "20 minutes" of them having a bit of fun as if the timeframe makes Turner's taking advantage of her unconcious state less serious. His claim that his son could be a role model for other young men is also disgraceful as it's an open advertisement that you can only get away with rape but even become some type of hero. Imagine young men having to listen to Brock Turner; teenage boys aren't that ignorant, they would know that the only reason Turner was walking the streets is because "daddy could afford the best lawyers"

If you turn the tables do you really think the father would evert utter this tripe if it was his daughter who was raped and left in a dumpster?



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07 Sep 2019, 8:26 pm

auntblabby wrote:
pure evil. to paraphase a quote of dorothy parker's, you can tell what god thinks of money by looking at the people he gave it to.


We could use a Dorothy Parker about now.


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07 Sep 2019, 8:42 pm

cyberdad wrote:
You gotta love wealthy folk, they seem to live in an alternate universe.

They don't appear to be wealthy.

His parents seem to both work.

Here are protestors outside the Brock home.

Looks like a nice middle class home, but nothing special.
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