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29 May 2019, 11:06 am

Robert Mueller breaks silence, does not want to testify, says charging Trump 'not an option'

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Special counsel Robert Mueller on Wednesday broke more than two years of silence about his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether President Donald Trump obstructed justice, saying he does not intend to testify to Congress and explaining why he did not have the "option" of charging the president with a crime.

He said he would make "a few remarks" but that it was "important that the office's written work speak for itself."

"The report is my testimony," Mueller said.

The special counsel said he was speaking out because his "investigation is complete," his office is "formally closing" and that he is "resigning from the Department of Justice to return to private life."

"The matters we investigated were of paramount importance," Mueller said. "When the subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators it strikes at the government's effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."

With regard to why he did not make a decision about whether the president obstructed justice, Mueller said charging the president with a crime was "not an option we could consider" because of Justice Department policy.

"If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so," Mueller said.

However, Mueller also made clear that the "Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing," suggesting that such a decision should be left in the hands of the Congress through impeachment proceedings.

Trump tweeted "The case is closed!" shortly after Mueller spoke.

Sources close to Mueller have told ABC News that he is apprehensive about being made into a political football by members of either party, and that his team has proposed a public statement to the House Judiciary Committee followed by private questioning. It's unclear whether such a proposal would be accepted by the committee.

Barr was also given a heads up on Mueller's intention to deliver a statement, a source told ABC News. The source would not say when the heads up was given, or whether Barr is aware of the content of what Mueller will say.


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29 May 2019, 11:27 am

I think the democrats need to finally put this baby to bed and focus on the needs of American citizens.



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30 May 2019, 2:01 am

Mueller did in fact confirm that the Russians had interfered in the election on Trump's behalf. This a long way from being put to bed.


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30 May 2019, 2:10 am

Certain democrats regarding Trump is reminiscent of Ahab's obsession with Moby Dick.



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30 May 2019, 3:43 am

EzraS wrote:
Certain democrats regarding Trump is reminiscent of Ahab's obsession with Moby Dick.


When the other side gets help covertly from an enemy, obsession is justifiable.


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30 May 2019, 3:55 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Certain democrats regarding Trump is reminiscent of Ahab's obsession with Moby Dick.


When the other side gets help covertly from an enemy, obsession is justifiable.


Even if it ends up sinking their boat in the process as it did for Ahab.

If trump ends up getting reelected many are going to cite russiagate as a main contributing factor, rather than Russia itself. Irony at its finest.



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30 May 2019, 4:10 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Certain democrats regarding Trump is reminiscent of Ahab's obsession with Moby Dick.


When the other side gets help covertly from an enemy, obsession is justifiable.


Even if it ends up sinking their boat in the process as it did for Ahab.

If trump ends up getting reelected many are going to cite russiagate as a main contributing factor, rather than Russia itself. Irony at its finest.


Who says he'll win again?


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30 May 2019, 4:19 am

If the years long white whale hunt continues to flounder it seems likely it will facilitate his chances.



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30 May 2019, 5:27 am

Musn't count our chickens yet...

The republicans aren't looking all that great from this;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 77519fd9d3



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30 May 2019, 7:40 am

cyberdad wrote:
Musn't count our chickens yet...

The republicans aren't looking all that great from this;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 77519fd9d3


That is as reliable as a Fox article and it is over a year old.



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30 May 2019, 9:16 am

Most Americans had never supported Trump, and he was only elected the first time due to accident of the Electoral College, and machinations by Putin in order to destroy his nemesis, Clinton (who was admittedly a lousy candidate). Chances of a second Trump victory looks slim.


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30 May 2019, 10:04 am

Trump got elected because people were fed up with being screwed over by neoliberals for decades. As bad as Trump is, he was the anti-establishment candidate of the Republican Party, just as Bernie Sanders was the anti-establishment candidate for the Democratic Party. Usually the political establishment on both sides takes out anyone who is saying anything is against the status quo. Thanks to the Dems and the liberal media intentionally elevating Trump, he won the nomination. Blaming Russia is absurd.

If the left continues to push the Russia narrative, and shove another Corporate Dem like Biden down our throats, Trump stands a very good chance of being reelected. Chomsky was absolutely correct when he said, "Russiagate has been a huge gift to Trump."

You won't hear any of this from the political establishment, of course, or the MSM. They are invested in propping up the oligarchy. Thankfully, there is a growing army of independent journalists who are getting this message out and pushing back against the corporatists.


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30 May 2019, 10:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Most Americans had never supported Trump, and he was only elected the first time due to accident of the Electoral College, and machinations by Putin in order to destroy his nemesis, Clinton (who was admittedly a lousy candidate). Chances of a second Trump victory looks slim.


Nearly as many people voted for Trump as Clinton with like a 2.5% difference so it can't realistically be said he was unpopular. Also there are hour long youtube video compilations of democrats and CNN type media saying with abundant assurance that "Donald Trump will never ever become president". I don't think the democrats can afford to expect he will lose like they did last time. Also it seems kind of obvious they are trying to impeach him to try preventing reelection. Although I heard that after Bill Clinton was impeached his approval ratings skyrocketed. But as Polosi recently said they don't have anything ironclad enough to proceed. After nearly three years that is. I think if they keep this thing going the way it's been going they are going to end up screwing the pooch.



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30 May 2019, 10:28 am

VegetableMan wrote:
Trump got elected because people were fed up with being screwed over by neoliberals for decades. As bad as Trump is, he was the anti-establishment candidate of the Republican Party, just as Bernie Sanders was the anti-establishment candidate for the Democratic Party. Usually the political establishment on both sides takes out anyone who is saying anything is against the status quo. Thanks to the Dems and the liberal media intentionally elevating Trump, he won the nomination. Blaming Russia is absurd.

If the left continues to push the Russia narrative, and shove another Corporate Dem like Biden down our throats, Trump stands a very good chance of being reelected. Chomsky was absolutely correct when he said, "Russiagate has been a huge gift to Trump."

You won't hear any of this from the political establishment, of course, or the MSM. They are invested in propping up the oligarchy. Thankfully, there is a growing army of independent journalists who are getting this message out and pushing back against the corporatists.


The republicans have continually used this meme to express their reaction to russiagate:

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30 May 2019, 10:42 am

EzraS wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Trump got elected because people were fed up with being screwed over by neoliberals for decades. As bad as Trump is, he was the anti-establishment candidate of the Republican Party, just as Bernie Sanders was the anti-establishment candidate for the Democratic Party. Usually the political establishment on both sides takes out anyone who is saying anything is against the status quo. Thanks to the Dems and the liberal media intentionally elevating Trump, he won the nomination. Blaming Russia is absurd.

If the left continues to push the Russia narrative, and shove another Corporate Dem like Biden down our throats, Trump stands a very good chance of being reelected. Chomsky was absolutely correct when he said, "Russiagate has been a huge gift to Trump."

You won't hear any of this from the political establishment, of course, or the MSM. They are invested in propping up the oligarchy. Thankfully, there is a growing army of independent journalists who are getting this message out and pushing back against the corporatists.


The republicans have continually used this meme to express their reaction to russiagate:

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That's a good'n. I've seen that image used by people on the left, as well.


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30 May 2019, 10:42 am

Mueller is a proven liar and crook. He's just scared the establishment will come for him so put out some crumbs. Russian meddling has been debunked. If people have a two week memory that's not my problem.


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