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27 Oct 2019, 6:46 pm

But Snowden checked that out. He searched high in low in the secret files of the government, and did not see any evidence of the govt. contacting aliens.

Call him a patriot, or call him a traitor, but you cant call him a "Storm Area 51" cheerleader.

Oh well. :(



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27 Oct 2019, 6:48 pm

It's lonely on this miserable planet. :( :star: :alien:



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27 Oct 2019, 7:22 pm

His memory was erased by MIB



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28 Oct 2019, 4:10 am

When it comes to UFOs even Julian Assange is careful. I suspect coercion played a part in Snowden's responses to Rogan's interview but of course the level of secrecy might be beyond Snowden's access clearance?



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28 Oct 2019, 8:40 am

LOL!!

You people amaze me. Judging by your responses...

1) Lack of evidence proves there is a conspiracy to cover up your "truth".

2) Expert testimony that favors a UFO conspiracy lacks evidence, yet is accepted as "truth".

3) Expert testimony that favors no UFO conspiracy has evidence, yet is rejected as "lies".

4) Anything that does not support your "UFOs and Space Aliens Among Us" mantra is part of a cover-up conspiracy.

5) No matter what anyone says, it only serves to reinforce your unfounded beliefs.

6) Snowdon was once the darling of all who sought to discredit the government.

7) Now that Snowdon has attacked one of your sacred beliefs, he is no longer credible.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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28 Oct 2019, 8:42 am

I believe in the possibility of life on other planets. I just don't believe we have discovered it yet, other than that bacteria we found on Mars. :alien:



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28 Oct 2019, 8:51 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
I believe in the possibility of life on other planets. I just don't believe we have discovered it yet, other than that bacteria we found on Mars.
What gets me is how people can take a flying leap on faith from "there is a possibility of intelligent life on other worlds" directly to "it's absolutely certain that there is intelligent life on other worlds".


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28 Oct 2019, 8:58 am

Fnord wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
I believe in the possibility of life on other planets. I just don't believe we have discovered it yet, other than that bacteria we found on Mars.
What gets me is how people can take a flying leap on faith from "there is a possibility of intelligent life on other worlds" directly to "it's absolutely certain that there is intelligent life on other worlds".

I'm not sure... I just think if there'a life here, than there must be life on other planets or moons. :)



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28 Oct 2019, 9:23 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
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TW1ZTY wrote:
I believe in the possibility of life on other planets. I just don't believe we have discovered it yet, other than that bacteria we found on Mars.
What gets me is how people can take a flying leap on faith from "there is a possibility of intelligent life on other worlds" directly to "it's absolutely certain that there is intelligent life on other worlds".
I'm not sure... I just think if there'a life here, than there must be life on other planets or moons. :)
Yes, there certainly could be life on other worlds. I have no doubt of that. But until I actually meet one, it will remain only a possibility in my mind.

I've done some amateur research, and interviewed a few astrophysicists (no, not DeGrasse-Tyson ... yet). There is a general consensus that if the Theia Collision Event hadn't occurred, there would be few dense elements near Earth's surface, there would be no Moon, and intelligent life (if it would exist) might not be human-like at all. Further, the lack of metals near Earth's surface would mean that intelligent life on Earth would still be in the Stone Age. I doubt that many worlds have had the exact same event occur under the exact same conditions.

Imagine attempting to build a mnemonic memory circuit using only stone knives and bear skins.


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28 Oct 2019, 9:43 am

It's got to be out there somewhere. Whether they've made contact with certain lucky members of our species seems unprovable as yet. There certainly to be some abduction / encounter cases that can't readily be scoffed off.


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28 Oct 2019, 9:53 am

Fnord wrote:
LOL!!

You people amaze me. Judging by your responses...

1) Lack of evidence proves there is a conspiracy to cover up your "truth".

2) Expert testimony that favors a UFO conspiracy lacks evidence, yet is accepted as "truth".

3) Expert testimony that favors no UFO conspiracy has evidence, yet is rejected as "lies".

4) Anything that does not support your "UFOs and Space Aliens Among Us" mantra is part of a cover-up conspiracy.

5) No matter what anyone says, it only serves to reinforce your unfounded beliefs.

6) Snowdon was once the darling of all who sought to discredit the government.

7) Now that Snowdon has attacked one of your sacred beliefs, he is no longer credible.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You got all that from the responses above your post? Okaaaay.

I was joking about MIB if that helps any.



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28 Oct 2019, 9:54 am

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... There certainly to be some abduction / encounter cases that can't readily be scoffed off.
When testimony is not backed up by evidence, the testimony becomes mere anecdote -- stories to tell one's impressionable grandchildren.

The multiplicity of similar UFO stories that lack evidence reminds me of all the stories of sexual assaults that allegedly occurred 30 years ago -- people believe them because they want to believe that some Big Bad Meany is concealing the truth, and this is "evidenced" by the lack of truth itself.


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28 Oct 2019, 9:56 am

No, EzraS ... I admit to being influenced by all of the UFO Conspiracy posts I've read over the last few years. When you've read as many as I have (in the hope of finding just one that is true), you begin to see a pattern in the ways UFO believers express their opinions.

I really do hope to meet an intelligent extra-terrestrial before I die, but current evidence would seem to obviate that as an extremely remote possibility, if it is even possible at all.


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28 Oct 2019, 10:46 am

Fnord wrote:
I've done some amateur research, and interviewed a few astrophysicists (no, not DeGrasse-Tyson ... yet). There is a general consensus that if the Theia Collision Event hadn't occurred, there would be few dense elements near Earth's surface, there would be no Moon, and intelligent life (if it would exist) might not be human-like at all. Further, the lack of metals near Earth's surface would mean that intelligent life on Earth would still be in the Stone Age. I doubt that many worlds have had the exact same event occur under the exact same conditions.


That is a very good point. The Theia Collision Event set Earth apart from many, many, many earth like planets in the solar system. It is probably the reason why Earth's magnetic field exist and shields the planet and the life therein from destruction.

I suspect there is a conspiracy concerning Area 51 but it is not what is commonly believed. The UFO and Alien stories surrounding the area were captured and manipulated by DoD to cover up the very real aircraft technological development occurring at the site. So in general all the UFO conspiracy theorist were actually part of the conspiracy. Except they didn't even know it.

I also suspect that life exist throughout the universe. But in general that life is unintelligent life, like bacteria. Intelligent life that is capable of interstellar travel is extremely rare or non-existent.



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28 Oct 2019, 10:53 am

Humans have only actually explored a MINISCULE amount of area----as compared to the extent of Space itself.

In light of this, my answer would be: "You never know."

I don't have much faith in "abduction stories" and that ilk.



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