Simon Baron Cohen links elevated estrogen levels and Autism

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30 Jul 2019, 3:25 am

More Estrogen in Womb Might Raise Autism Risk

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New British research is bolstering the theory that elevated levels of sex hormones in the uterus could play a role in autism risk.

Prior studies had already implicated higher uterine concentrations of male sex hormones -- androgens -- in increasing the odds for an autism spectrum disorder, noted a team led by Simon Baron-Cohen. He directs the Autism Research Center at the University of Cambridge.

That prior finding might help explain why autism is so much more prevalent in boys than girls.

However, the latest research from the Cambridge team suggests that exposure to high levels of estrogen hormones in the womb might also raise the odds for autism.

In the new study, Baron-Cohen and his colleagues tested samples of amniotic fluid from 98 individuals sampled by the Danish Biobank, a repository of amniotic samples from more than 100,000 pregnancies.

The 98 individuals went on to develop an autism spectrum disorder.

The researchers looked specifically at amniotic levels of four different estrogen-like hormones.

The investigators compared levels for the 98 people with autism against those from amniotic samples of 177 people who did not have the disorder. This time, Baron-Cohen's group found an even stronger relationship to autism than was seen with high levels of male sex hormones.


"This new finding supports the idea that increased prenatal sex steroid hormones are one of the potential causes for the condition," Baron-Cohen said in a university news release. "Genetics is well established as another [cause], and these hormones likely interact with genetic factors to affect the developing fetal brain."

Dr. Ruth Milanaik is an autism expert who directs the neonatal neurodevelopmental follow-up program at Cohen Children's Medical Center, in New Hyde Park, N.Y. Reviewing the new findings, she agreed that there is probably no single cause for autism.

"This is a strong study that brings us a step closer to understanding the roots of this issue, but by all means [it is] not a definitive cause," Milanaik said. "Further research is needed in all areas in order to fully understand the implications of these findings."

For his part, Baron-Cohen stressed that testing uterine hormone levels in pregnancy to gauge future autism risk is not the goal here.

"We are interested in understanding autism, not preventing it," he said, adding that the findings shouldn't be used to develop such a screening test.

In fact, it's not yet even clear what might cause sex hormone levels to rise in the womb, the researchers said.

According to study co-author Alex Tsompanidis, a graduate student at Cambridge, "These elevated hormones could be coming from the mother, the baby or the placenta. Our next step should be to study all these possible sources and how they interact during pregnancy."

The findings were published online July 29 in Molecular Psychiatry.

They might not be interested in using these findings to prevent autism but plenty of people will.


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30 Jul 2019, 5:53 am

Well, I remember when he came out with the theory of raised testosterone levels and an indicator being an unusually long ringfinger.

As an aside, I wonder if this mixes in with increased likelihood for homosexuality or transgenderism etc.


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30 Jul 2019, 7:27 pm

smudge wrote:
Well, I remember when he came out with the theory of raised testosterone levels and an indicator being an unusually long ringfinger.

As an aside, I wonder if this mixes in with increased likelihood for homosexuality or transgenderism etc.


If you're doing studies with multiple variables you could p-hack any value. ;P

That's why we can correlate ice cream sales and homicides. But do higher ice cream sales cause more homicides? We gotta be careful when interpreting data.


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30 Jul 2019, 7:31 pm

He was great in 'Borat.'


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30 Jul 2019, 10:34 pm

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He was great in 'Borat.'


That was Sacha Baron Cohen, his cousin. I thought he was funny too, and almost somehow embarrassing to watch sometimes.


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30 Jul 2019, 10:37 pm

martianprincess wrote:
smudge wrote:
Well, I remember when he came out with the theory of raised testosterone levels and an indicator being an unusually long ringfinger.

As an aside, I wonder if this mixes in with increased likelihood for homosexuality or transgenderism etc.


If you're doing studies with multiple variables you could p-hack any value. ;P

That's why we can correlate ice cream sales and homicides. But do higher ice cream sales cause more homicides? We gotta be careful when interpreting data.


I never knew that about ice-cream before. :P


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30 Jul 2019, 10:59 pm

i have a long ring finger [equal in length to index], so if that is evidence of excess testosterone in the womb, what could that mean?



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30 Jul 2019, 11:10 pm

auntblabby wrote:
i have a long ring finger [equal in length to index], so if that is evidence of excess testosterone in the womb, what could that mean?


Sorry, I wasn't clear. The ring finger has to be "unusually" long in ratio to the index finger, so that means it has to be longer than the index finger to indicate more testosterone ("unusually" long for autism). If the ring finger and index finger are the same length, or the index finger is longer, that indicates femininity. So in males that means they are more likely to be better at languages, teacher roles, etc.


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30 Jul 2019, 11:31 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
i have a long ring finger [equal in length to index], so if that is evidence of excess testosterone in the womb, what could that mean?


Sorry, I wasn't clear. The ring finger has to be "unusually" long in ratio to the index finger, so that means it has to be longer than the index finger to indicate more testosterone ("unusually" long for autism). If the ring finger and index finger are the same length, or the index finger is longer, that indicates femininity. So in males that means they are more likely to be better at languages, teacher roles, etc.

thank you :study: what does it mean, though, IF the ring finger IS longer than the index finger, AND more testosterone is in the womb? like what happens then?



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30 Jul 2019, 11:53 pm

auntblabby wrote:
smudge wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i have a long ring finger [equal in length to index], so if that is evidence of excess testosterone in the womb, what could that mean?


Sorry, I wasn't clear. The ring finger has to be "unusually" long in ratio to the index finger, so that means it has to be longer than the index finger to indicate more testosterone ("unusually" long for autism). If the ring finger and index finger are the same length, or the index finger is longer, that indicates femininity. So in males that means they are more likely to be better at languages, teacher roles, etc.

thank you :study: what does it mean, though, IF the ring finger IS longer than the index finger, AND more testosterone is in the womb? like what happens then?


It tends to mean more male traits according to that theory. Like better spatial awareness etc.


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30 Jul 2019, 11:55 pm

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martianprincess wrote:
smudge wrote:
Well, I remember when he came out with the theory of raised testosterone levels and an indicator being an unusually long ringfinger.

As an aside, I wonder if this mixes in with increased likelihood for homosexuality or transgenderism etc.


If you're doing studies with multiple variables you could p-hack any value. ;P

That's why we can correlate ice cream sales and homicides. But do higher ice cream sales cause more homicides? We gotta be careful when interpreting data.


I never knew that about ice-cream before. :P


Actually according to those studies apparently, they think raised levels of testosterone or estrogen would affect sexual orientation.


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31 Jul 2019, 5:44 am

As far as I can make out there is very little difference in length between my index finger and ring finger. My spatial ability is poor/very poor.



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31 Jul 2019, 5:52 am

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As far as I can make out there is very little difference in length between my index finger and ring finger. My spatial ability is poor/very poor.

judging by the external evidence of the scars on my body, mee too. :oops:



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31 Jul 2019, 6:38 am

I always blamed my mother anyways.



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31 Jul 2019, 1:34 pm

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VegetableMan wrote:
He was great in 'Borat.'


That was Sacha Baron Cohen, his cousin. I thought he was funny too, and almost somehow embarrassing to watch sometimes.


I know. It was just a lame attempt at humor. Honestly, I didn't know they were cousins.


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31 Jul 2019, 1:50 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
smudge wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
He was great in 'Borat.'


That was Sacha Baron Cohen, his cousin. I thought he was funny too, and almost somehow embarrassing to watch sometimes.


I know. It was just a lame attempt at humor. Honestly, I didn't know they were cousins.


Yep. My mum spoke to Simon when I was a kid. I took part in his research involving testing for gluten and casein intolerance. It wasn't an accurate method.


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