Trump wants to deport people here for medical reasons.
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If everyone in America was doing well that would be one thing. But there is already a lot of poverty. A lot of homeless. A lot of junkies. And all that is getting worse at this point in time. And it seems like those whos hearts are gushing blood over people from other countries, do not seem to weep much over the hardships of America's own citizens. Not politically advantageous enough I suppose.
I find it pretty messed up there are lots of military veterans on the street, holding signs for people to give them a little change. Why isn't the government who sent them into combat helping them? why do they have to rely on charity and there isn't a solid government program to help them have housing and income and medical care? when they come back wounded. Seems like one can care about people born in their own country as well as people born in other countries, perhaps.
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Am pretty sure everyone you mention had to work really hard to attain anything close to the American dream. Asians (southern or eastern) often work multiple jobs to put their kids through college.
We had plenty of Australian soldiers with "Gulf war syndrome" who were stationed in the middle east or Afghanistan. The problem is that many develop addiction problems in order to cope with their PTSD. They can't hold a job and go broke and end up homeless. Part of the problem is that they are reluctant to identify themselves as having a problem till they are in the throes of PTSD as the army teaches them that asking for help is showing signs of weakness. So therefore they don't ask for help and the army don't really want to deal with them after their tour of duty is over.
If everyone in America was doing well that would be one thing. But there is already a lot of poverty. A lot of homeless. A lot of junkies. And all that is getting worse at this point in time. And it seems like those whos hearts are gushing blood over people from other countries, do not seem to weep much over the hardships of America's own citizens. Not politically advantageous enough I suppose.
I find it pretty messed up there are lots of military veterans on the street, holding signs for people to give them a little change. Why isn't the government who sent them into combat helping them? why do they have to rely on charity and there isn't a solid government program to help them have housing and income and medical care? when they come back wounded. Seems like one can care about people born in their own country as well as people born in other countries, perhaps.
I agree with the veteran part. The difference is that most people join the ARMY knowing that these things are a possibility, but hoping to come home whole. So, first 'give,' then maybe 'take' from their OWN government, maybe not. In this case, it's pathetic that our veterans are not looked after properly.
The people coming here for healthcare are here for no other reason. 'Take' from someone else's government and never give back... doesn't seem fair. Not when our own are suffering!
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If everyone in America was doing well that would be one thing. But there is already a lot of poverty. A lot of homeless. A lot of junkies. And all that is getting worse at this point in time. And it seems like those whos hearts are gushing blood over people from other countries, do not seem to weep much over the hardships of America's own citizens. Not politically advantageous enough I suppose.
Really? Have you been paying attention?
Don't be rude.
If everyone in America was doing well that would be one thing. But there is already a lot of poverty. A lot of homeless. A lot of junkies. And all that is getting worse at this point in time. And it seems like those whos hearts are gushing blood over people from other countries, do not seem to weep much over the hardships of America's own citizens. Not politically advantageous enough I suppose.
Really? Have you been paying attention?
Don't be rude.
You started it.
You've heard of Medicare For All, right? You've heard of college loan forgiveness, right? Those are intended to help America's own citizens. Problems with our health care system and mounting student loan debt for many people have impacted many Americans and have hurt our economy.
So I don't want you to see you claim again that we "do not seem to weep much over the hardship of America's own citizens". That is a completely disingenuous statement, and rude as heck, and you know it.
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Trump Ending Welfare-Dependent Immigration, Saving Taxpayers Billions
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... ic-charge/
Sometimes doing the right thing is more important than saving a little money.
Am I seriously supposed to take Breitbart as a legitimate source?
Trump memorandum …
Sponsers of "welfare immigrants" pay their welfare bill.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... efits.html
The move “will dramatically curb ‘welfare tourism”
There are people who bring their seriously ill children here for medical care. For Trump to "curb welfare tourism" is heartless and cruel, and the exact opposite of the American values of kindness and altruism.
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The higher moral ground belong to those who help those in need, whether that's through their own initiative, or through collective action through the government.
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The higher moral ground belong to those who help those in need, whether that's through their own initiative, or through collective action through the government.
Have you ever met an angry beggar that DEMANDS money? That shouts, screams, calls you names if your donation is too small, or you give nothing?
That's what this article is about.
I find that attitude to be disgusting.
However, far worse, is this beggar now DEMANDS government FORCE be used to compel people to donate.
Disgusting, immoral, not appreciative, not concerned about YOUR welfare ...
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These are soft targets, again it seems the people who vote for Trump seem to not see a problem with deporting children with medical problems. The same creepy individuals will happily spout the virtues of the good samaritan in Sunday bible class.
Same mental illness carried by the entire American conservative christian populace who diligently pray in Church on Sunday then happily treat their fellow black Americans as subhuman.
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The higher moral ground belong to those who help those in need, whether that's through their own initiative, or through collective action through the government.
Have you ever met an angry beggar that DEMANDS money? That shouts, screams, calls you names if your donation is too small, or you give nothing?
That's what this article is about.
I find that attitude to be disgusting.
However, far worse, is this beggar now DEMANDS government FORCE be used to compel people to donate.
Disgusting, immoral, not appreciative, not concerned about YOUR welfare ...
This is NOT about belligerent beggars, but about foreigners facing no hope of survival in their own countries, and so come to the United States for medical care. In the past, America had been so big hearted as to give these people the help they needed. The fact that Trump wants to deny help to people in need says a lot about his values, and about the kind of Christianity he professes to believe in that has no relation to the teaching of Christ.
And in all fairness, most beggars I've encountered come across as humble and courteous.
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If everyone in America was doing well that would be one thing. But there is already a lot of poverty. A lot of homeless. A lot of junkies. And all that is getting worse at this point in time. And it seems like those whos hearts are gushing blood over people from other countries, do not seem to weep much over the hardships of America's own citizens. Not politically advantageous enough I suppose.
Really? Have you been paying attention?
Don't be rude.
You started it.
You've heard of Medicare For All, right? You've heard of college loan forgiveness, right? Those are intended to help America's own citizens. Problems with our health care system and mounting student loan debt for many people have impacted many Americans and have hurt our economy.
So I don't want you to see you claim again that we "do not seem to weep much over the hardship of America's own citizens". That is a completely disingenuous statement, and rude as heck, and you know it.
When you said "Really? Have you been paying attention?" is sounded like a snarky accusation that I was not paying attention to this thread.
I have also heard of and seen growing numbers of Americans in distress.
The weeping and wailing over people from other countries is much louder. The cries of what they need is much louder. And it is mostly political grandstanding.
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The weeping and wailing over people from other countries is much louder. The cries of what they need is much louder. And it is mostly political grandstanding.
Fun (<- not) fact: this is not just an American problem; it happens in Northern Europe too, though at a slightly smaller scale (for now.)
It’s a hallmark of the USA.
We bring in patients from other countries all the time. We are known for this.
I hope we continue providing this service.
Yes.....we have to help fellow Americans, too. We have to do a better job in this area, too.
I like our image as the “caretaker of the world.” Tough nuggies to those who don’t appreciate our largesse.
Trump is blowing it for the reputation of the US around the world.
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