Ex-cop Amber Guyger is found guilty of murder

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02 Oct 2019, 3:43 pm

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I think a Christian fundamentalist Dallas jury...
Do you know for certain that they were all fundamentalists of any religion or even Christians?
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... convicted her of being a bad person...
Last time I checked, murder in any degree IS "bad".
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... and ignored evidence...
Evidence, please?
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... manslaughter, which is what she was really guilty of.
Were you there in the courtroom at any time during the trial?
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I think her actions were incredibly reckless but they did not rise to premeditated murder
What was the exact wording of the jury's verdict? It certainly was not an accidental shooting, which could result in a 3rd degree murder (manslaughter) conviction -- she took aim and fired more than one round, after all. And there is reasonable doubt that she planned to commit the murder, which would result is a 1st-degree conviction. This leaves a 2nd-degree murder conviction. Now, I don't know if Texas law differentiates between degrees of murder, but second-guessing the verdict is for the appeals trial to determine. Let's wait and see how that turns out.


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02 Oct 2019, 4:25 pm

Fnord wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I think a Christian fundamentalist Dallas jury...
Do you know for certain that they were all fundamentalists of any religion or even Christians?
vermontsavant wrote:
... convicted her of being a bad person...
Last time I checked, murder in any degree IS "bad".
vermontsavant wrote:
... and ignored evidence...
Evidence, please?
vermontsavant wrote:
... manslaughter, which is what she was really guilty of.
Were you there in the courtroom at any time during the trial?
vermontsavant wrote:
I think her actions were incredibly reckless but they did not rise to premeditated murder
What was the exact wording of the jury's verdict? It certainly was not an accidental shooting, which could result in a 3rd degree murder (manslaughter) conviction -- she took aim and fired more than one round, after all. And there is reasonable doubt that she planned to commit the murder, which would result is a 1st-degree conviction. This leaves a 2nd-degree murder conviction. Now, I don't know if Texas law differentiates between degrees of murder, but second-guessing the verdict is for the appeals trial to determine. Let's wait and see how that turns out.
I certainly don't know the religion of the jury but it seems to me she was convicted of being a bad person,the evidence clearly did not rise to premeditated murder.She was passed off as a homewrecking slut and testamony on her behalf was disregarded because of this.

The evidence clearly points toward manslaughter,she did not walk into that apartment looking to kill anyone,I believe she thought she was acting in self defense but still had no business taking those shots.She should never had been a cop or even carry a gun and she clearly has some deep rooted issues she needs to work out but I don't think a sentence of 20,30 years or life is appropriate.


What evidence points toward manslaughter?
She didn't know where she was and was confused,if she wasn't confused why else would she have been in the wrong persons apartment.To rob it,there was no evidence of robbery,she didn't take his stuff then leave the apartment.She was tired from working long hours.

Why is she not innocent?She didn't perform CPR as a trained officer,she texted her boyfriend before calling 911,she did not wait for back up from other officers.She acted with disregard for human life and her negligence caused the death of another person.

Your right about the appeals court,this case is far from over.


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02 Oct 2019, 4:41 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Fnord wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I think a Christian fundamentalist Dallas jury...
Do you know for certain that they were all fundamentalists of any religion or even Christians?
vermontsavant wrote:
... convicted her of being a bad person...
Last time I checked, murder in any degree IS "bad".
vermontsavant wrote:
... and ignored evidence...
Evidence, please?
vermontsavant wrote:
... manslaughter, which is what she was really guilty of.
Were you there in the courtroom at any time during the trial?
vermontsavant wrote:
I think her actions were incredibly reckless but they did not rise to premeditated murder
What was the exact wording of the jury's verdict? It certainly was not an accidental shooting, which could result in a 3rd degree murder (manslaughter) conviction -- she took aim and fired more than one round, after all. And there is reasonable doubt that she planned to commit the murder, which would result is a 1st-degree conviction. This leaves a 2nd-degree murder conviction. Now, I don't know if Texas law differentiates between degrees of murder, but second-guessing the verdict is for the appeals trial to determine. Let's wait and see how that turns out.
I certainly don't know the religion of the jury but it seems to me she was convicted of being a bad person,the evidence clearly did not rise to premeditated murder.She was passed off as a homewrecking slut and testamony on her behalf was disregarded because of this.

The evidence clearly points toward manslaughter,she did not walk into that apartment looking to kill anyone,I believe she thought she was acting in self defense but still had no business taking those shots.She should never had been a cop or even carry a gun and she clearly has some deep rooted issues she needs to work out but I don't think a sentence of 20,30 years or life is appropriate.


What evidence points toward manslaughter?
She didn't know where she was and was confused,if she wasn't confused why else would she have been in the wrong persons apartment.To rob it,there was no evidence of robbery,she didn't take his stuff then leave the apartment.She was tired from working long hours.

Why is she not innocent?She didn't perform CPR as a trained officer,she texted her boyfriend before calling 911,she did not wait for back up from other officers.She acted with disregard for human life and her negligence caused the death of another person.

Your right about the appeals court,this case is far from over.



20 or 30 years? I just saw the sentence on the news, I understood ten years. Did I misunderstand?



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02 Oct 2019, 4:54 pm

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I certainly don't know the religion of the jury but it seems to me she was convicted of being a bad person, the evidence clearly did not rise to premeditated murder. She was passed off as a homewrecking slut and testamony on her behalf was disregarded because of this.
Was it? Do you know the minds of the jurors? Besides, a murderer IS a "bad person". Now, if you are concerned that a homewrecking slut (as you put it) did not receive a fair trial, then by all means, submit an Amicus Curiae brief to the presiding judge, and wait for a reply.
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The evidence clearly points toward manslaughter...
To convict a defendant of manslaughter in Texas, prosecutors must be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant recklessly caused the death of another individual. There is no requirement of premeditation to this crime and no requirement for there to be intent or knowledge on the part of the defendant. The only requirement is that the defendant's conduct was reckless. "Reckless" here implies accidental through carelessness or indifference. Had her sidearm dropped from its holster, struck the floor, discharged, and killed the victim, THEN it could be deemed "accidental" due to her carelessness in securely holstering her sidearm; but no, she drew her sidearm, took aim, and fired twice, resulting in the death of the victim by her own intentional act.

There are several different types of defenses to the crime of manslaughter:
• Insanity: The defendant was not found to be insane.
• Self-defense: The deceased was eating ice cream while watching TV.
• "Heat of passion": The defendant walked into the wrong apartment, saw a stranger, drew her sidearm, and killed him in "cold blood".

Since the defense could not or did not prove insanity, self-defense, or "heat of passion", the charge of manslaughter was not applicable. Since the prosecution could not or did not prove premeditation, the charge of 1st-degree murder was not applicable, either. This leaves on 2nd-degree murder -- voluntary murder without premeditation -- as the eventual outcome.

Whether she was a "Good" person or a "Bad" person, the jury found her guilty of intentionally murdering the victim. The only thing to do now is wait for the inevitable appeal, which will likely result in the same verdict due to her confession on the witness stand.

An armed, white, female cop murdered an unarmed, black, male civilian in cold blood in Texas and was convicted of her crime. Deal with it.


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02 Oct 2019, 5:21 pm

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20 or 30 years? I just saw the sentence on the news, I understood ten years. Did I misunderstand?

10 years.

Texas permits parole after 1/3 of the sentence, so she has to do at least 3.3 years.

Though, some articles are saying she has to do 5 years before parole.


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02 Oct 2019, 6:17 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
20 or 30 years? I just saw the sentence on the news, I understood ten years. Did I misunderstand?

10 years.

Texas permits parole after 1/3 of the sentence, so she has to do at least 3.3 years.

Though, some articles are saying she has to do 5 years before parole.


At least she didn't just get transferred like other cops finding themselves in similar situations after killing a civilian.



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02 Oct 2019, 10:46 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
20 or 30 years? I just saw the sentence on the news, I understood ten years. Did I misunderstand?

10 years.

Texas permits parole after 1/3 of the sentence, so she has to do at least 3.3 years.

Though, some articles are saying she has to do 5 years before parole.
Yes it's ten years,I was refering to the maximum she could have gotten before I knew her sentence


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02 Oct 2019, 10:52 pm

Fnord wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I certainly don't know the religion of the jury but it seems to me she was convicted of being a bad person, the evidence clearly did not rise to premeditated murder. She was passed off as a homewrecking slut and testamony on her behalf was disregarded because of this.
Was it? Do you know the minds of the jurors? Besides, a murderer IS a "bad person". Now, if you are concerned that a homewrecking slut (as you put it) did not receive a fair trial, then by all means, submit an Amicus Curiae brief to the presiding judge, and wait for a reply.
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The evidence clearly points toward manslaughter...
To convict a defendant of manslaughter in Texas, prosecutors must be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant recklessly caused the death of another individual. There is no requirement of premeditation to this crime and no requirement for there to be intent or knowledge on the part of the defendant. The only requirement is that the defendant's conduct was reckless. "Reckless" here implies accidental through carelessness or indifference. Had her sidearm dropped from its holster, struck the floor, discharged, and killed the victim, THEN it could be deemed "accidental" due to her carelessness in securely holstering her sidearm; but no, she drew her sidearm, took aim, and fired twice, resulting in the death of the victim by her own intentional act.

There are several different types of defenses to the crime of manslaughter:
• Insanity: The defendant was not found to be insane.
• Self-defense: The deceased was eating ice cream while watching TV.
• "Heat of passion": The defendant walked into the wrong apartment, saw a stranger, drew her sidearm, and killed him in "cold blood".

Since the defense could not or did not prove insanity, self-defense, or "heat of passion", the charge of manslaughter was not applicable. Since the prosecution could not or did not prove premeditation, the charge of 1st-degree murder was not applicable, either. This leaves on 2nd-degree murder -- voluntary murder without premeditation -- as the eventual outcome.

Whether she was a "Good" person or a "Bad" person, the jury found her guilty of intentionally murdering the victim. The only thing to do now is wait for the inevitable appeal, which will likely result in the same verdict due to her confession on the witness stand.

An armed, white, female cop murdered an unarmed, black, male civilian in cold blood in Texas and was convicted of her crime. Deal with it.
As far as I know she was convicted of 1st degree murder not second degree murder.
No I don't know the minds of the jurors,but I think her bad behavior at the crime scene and in her personal life did weigh against her.


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03 Oct 2019, 12:11 am

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Nobody has the right to walk around, not paying attention...
Last time I checked the freeways, travelling while stupid was a "right" that too many people seem to enjoy.
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... especially when they are trained to be observant ...
Not a mitigating factor.
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... and are armed ...
Please re-read the Second Amendment.
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... and trigger happy.
Bingo. No one has the "right" to be trigger-happy, not even trained and duly-sworn officers of the law. That's why prison is the only option in this case. I'm glad to see it, too.


The word "right" is being used loosely, rather than literally.

There are distracted driver laws in place. And police officers are held to a much higher standard when it comes to traveling stupidly

Her being trained to be observant was very much a mitigating and determining factor in this case.

The second amendment addresses private citizens rather than law enforcement and military appointed by the government to carry a firearm.



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03 Oct 2019, 1:05 pm

10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.


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03 Oct 2019, 2:28 pm

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10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.
Oh yeah, there is no way the put her in general population.
I also think the murder conviction will be knocked down to manslaughter on appeal.


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03 Oct 2019, 2:32 pm

Guilty of murder yet only gets 10 years.


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03 Oct 2019, 4:10 pm

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Guilty of murder yet only gets 10 years.
Texas puts sentencing in the hands of the jury unlike most states where a judge does sentence.Texas gives jurors wide descretion in sentencing.

I think the jury saw mitigating factors in the case and gave a light sentence.


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03 Oct 2019, 5:05 pm

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I think the jury saw mitigating factors in the case and gave a light sentence.


Mitigating factor being? the victim was black and the room was dark??



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04 Oct 2019, 5:28 am

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I think the jury saw mitigating factors in the case and gave a light sentence.


Mitigating factor being? the victim was black and the room was dark??
She was tired and confused at the time


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04 Oct 2019, 6:12 am

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I think the jury saw mitigating factors in the case and gave a light sentence.


Mitigating factor being? the victim was black and the room was dark??


Yeah if he had been white she would have just gone in and sat on the couch with him.