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27 Aug 2019, 4:42 pm

There are some announced challengers to Trump within the Republican Party. Two are Massachusetts governor William Weld and talk-show host and former House member Joe Walsh (not the Eagles dude, bro :lol: ).
Within-party challenges to incumbents used to be more common in the Sixties and Seventies, but since Teddy Kennedy's challenge to Jimmy Carter in 1980, they have been rare. What effect, if any, might these Republican challengers have on the 2020 election :??


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27 Aug 2019, 6:02 pm

ASS-P wrote:
There are some announced challengers to Trump within the Republican Party. Two are Massachusetts governor William Weld and talk-show host and former House member Joe Walsh (not the Eagles dude, bro :lol: ).
Within-party challenges to incumbents used to be more common in the Sixties and Seventies, but since Teddy Kennedy's challenge to Jimmy Carter in 1980, they have been rare. What effect, if any, might these Republican challengers have on the 2020 election :??


I am sure Trump will get into a twitter storm with these people but unless there is some sort of collapse or if one of these challengers runs as a third party candidate probably not much.


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27 Aug 2019, 7:40 pm

Bill Weld is a “Rockefeller Republican”, economic conservative (though not opposed to government intervention when necessary, very socially progressive.

Joe Walsh is a hard-right, Tea Party-type.


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27 Aug 2019, 10:35 pm

No sitting President in recent times who has been challenged from within his own party for the nomination has ever won reelection. Jimmy Carter had been challenged by Ted Kennedy, and George Bush was challenged by Pat Buchanan, and both lost. An internal challenge shows how there is irreparable division within the party ranks. I think Trump is going to be a one term President.


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28 Aug 2019, 1:53 am

...Former SC governor Mark Sandford is thinking about it - maybe he will think about it in a hike in the Appalachians :P !


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28 Aug 2019, 1:58 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
No sitting President in recent times who has been challenged from within his own party for the nomination has ever won reelection. Jimmy Carter had been challenged by Ted Kennedy, and George Bush was challenged by Pat Buchanan, and both lost. An internal challenge shows how there is irreparable division within the party ranks. I think Trump is going to be a one term President.






...Yeah, and looking this up I saw that Gerald Ford (with the additional disadvantage of being a literally unelected President post-a national trauma) received a strong challenge from a certain Ronald Reagan.


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28 Aug 2019, 2:27 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
No sitting President in recent times who has been challenged from within his own party for the nomination has ever won reelection. Jimmy Carter had been challenged by Ted Kennedy, and George Bush was challenged by Pat Buchanan, and both lost. An internal challenge shows how there is irreparable division within the party ranks. I think Trump is going to be a one term President.


Me too. Though with George H.W. Bush, Ross Perot was also a factor.


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28 Aug 2019, 7:33 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
No sitting President in recent times who has been challenged from within his own party for the nomination has ever won reelection. Jimmy Carter had been challenged by Ted Kennedy, and George Bush was challenged by Pat Buchanan, and both lost. An internal challenge shows how there is irreparable division within the party ranks. I think Trump is going to be a one term President.


Me too. Though with George H.W. Bush, Ross Perot was also a factor.

Yes, new taxes and recession were the main factors.


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28 Aug 2019, 9:33 am

I still can't believe Trump is actually in the White House.....



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28 Aug 2019, 3:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
No sitting President in recent times who has been challenged from within his own party for the nomination has ever won reelection. Jimmy Carter had been challenged by Ted Kennedy, and George Bush was challenged by Pat Buchanan, and both lost. An internal challenge shows how there is irreparable division within the party ranks. I think Trump is going to be a one term President.


How well known are Weld and Walsh compared to Kennedy and Buchanan?



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28 Aug 2019, 3:54 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
No sitting President in recent times who has been challenged from within his own party for the nomination has ever won reelection. Jimmy Carter had been challenged by Ted Kennedy, and George Bush was challenged by Pat Buchanan, and both lost. An internal challenge shows how there is irreparable division within the party ranks. I think Trump is going to be a one term President.


How well known are Weld and Walsh compared to Kennedy and Buchanan?






...Lesd, I'd grant. Walsh was a one-term House member noted then. and in his rafio-show says, for some rather extreme statements he's apologizing for now ' Je'd kind of a Trump-style Republican who is turned off now by DJT'd more weird and f_____-up statements. Wrld was governor of Massachusetts, but it seems like, in the 21st, being popular in Massachusetts turns off the rest of the country :lol: ! John Kerry AND Mitt Romney :wink: - so. look out for Lizzie W. :P 8) ?
I suppose Weld might be seen by some as a RINO, too :x :? .


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28 Aug 2019, 6:59 pm

I like Bill Weld I might vote for him


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28 Aug 2019, 7:53 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
No sitting President in recent times who has been challenged from within his own party for the nomination has ever won reelection. Jimmy Carter had been challenged by Ted Kennedy, and George Bush was challenged by Pat Buchanan, and both lost. An internal challenge shows how there is irreparable division within the party ranks. I think Trump is going to be a one term President.


Caveat should be a serious challenge. Obama had some no-name opponent in 2012 that got on the ballot in like 1 state.


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08 Oct 2019, 9:50 pm

Weld and Walsh's campaign websites:

https://weld2020.org/

https://www.joewalsh.org/