NYC ME says Jeffrey Epstein's death was suicide

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30 Oct 2019, 1:43 pm

NYC chief medical examiner said her office stands by it's conclusion that Jeffrey Epstein's death was suicide by hanging.

Chief medical examiner Barbara Sampson's statement follows claims made by doctor paid by Epstein's family challenging that conclusion.

We continue to share information around the medical investigation the Mr. Epstein's family,their representitives,and the pathology consultant.The original medical investigation was thorough and complete.
There is no reason for a second medical investigation.

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30 Oct 2019, 4:29 pm

They are just getting out ahead of the massive news, the real news story, than an independent pathologist has said he's never seen injuries like that from suicide in the years of practicing and he says he was murdered.

Epstein's own lawyers took him off suicide watch after he was attacked or tried to kill himself weeks previous. His own lawyers like Alan Dershowitz were going go be squealed on by Espstein. He was murdered.


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30 Oct 2019, 9:37 pm

I think it's a given that several wealthy people wanted to see Epstein go away.



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31 Oct 2019, 11:13 am

Jeffrey Epstein Case: Expert Hired By His Family Suggests Doubt On Suicide Finding

"A forensic pathologist hired by Jeffrey Epstein's family said he believes Epstein's autopsy suggests homicide rather than suicide. But New York City's chief medical examiner stands by her conclusion that Epstein died by hanging himself.

Michael Baden is a private pathologist who was briefly the chief medical examiner for New York City in the late 1970s, before going on to become a celebrity forensic witness. He has weighed in on scores of high-profile cases, including as a defense witness for O.J. Simpson.

Baden told Fox News on Wednesday he believes the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide in Epstein's death because of three fractures of Epstein's hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage, injuries he says are more indicative of homicidal strangulation than suicide."


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/30/77483895 ... ide-findin



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31 Oct 2019, 11:18 am

That could happen if a person hangs his/her self, too.

A self-hanging can be just as violent as a homicidal strangulation.



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31 Oct 2019, 12:16 pm

He was murdered. He couldn't have done that damage from an 8 foot ceiling.


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31 Oct 2019, 12:18 pm

This is especially true of older people who hang themselves,if Epstein were younger that would more point toward homocide.


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31 Oct 2019, 12:33 pm

Lemme get this straight...

An appropriately-trained and licensed M.E. concluding “Suicide” proves murder.

Lack of proof for murder proves murder.

A person hired by the deceased’s family to say “Murder” proves murder.

The lack of an identified murderer proves murder.

Assumptions of murder by people who know nothing about forensic science proves murder.

:roll: The dots just don’t connect.


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31 Oct 2019, 12:56 pm

Please prove he killed himself. It is the word of one pathologist vs another. The independent one says he has never seen injuries like that in 50 years of practice.

He claims he was attacked weeks before. He was going to spill the beans on a lot of corrupt and powerful people. The motive for murder is a million times more powerful. Another spy very similar to Epstein (Robert Maxwell) was murdered when he became a liability.


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31 Oct 2019, 12:57 pm

A pathologist hired by the establishment to provide suicide proves suicide?


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31 Oct 2019, 1:03 pm

Prove it was murder with something other than suspicion, prejudice, circumstance, and/or assumption.


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31 Oct 2019, 1:59 pm

There would be good proof if those unlucky cameras were working :roll: This pathologist said it was murder.


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31 Oct 2019, 3:06 pm

Fnord wrote:
Lemme get this straight...

An appropriately-trained and licensed M.E. concluding “Suicide” proves murder.

Lack of proof for murder proves murder.

A person hired by the deceased’s family to say “Murder” proves murder.

The lack of an identified murderer proves murder.

Assumptions of murder by people who know nothing about forensic science proves murder.

:roll: The dots just don’t connect.



Wow. Just how well do you know the Clintons?



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03 Nov 2019, 4:59 am

We'll probably never know for certain, but I think meeting the official story with incredulity is perfectly reasonable.

A man accused of trafficking underage girls to men of high wealth and power commits suicide in a cell where the materials to do so should not be available. For some reason his injuries are less consistent with a simple bedside hanging and more consistent with a 66 year old man somehow performing a triple somersault hanging off a 3ft bed, using a noose fashioned from toilet paper... I guess? He wanted to go out in style you see. The cameras were all mysteriously disabled and all the guards were simultaneous asleep around this extremely famous prisoner.

Or maybe...


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03 Nov 2019, 11:24 am

Sure, maybe he was murdered, but that would take a conspiracy of dozens — if not hundreds — of people cooperating without even one breaching their “operational security” in any way.

Because the injuries are consistent with suicide, the Coroner’s report carries the day, and those who believe otherwise are left with their assumptions and suspicions which, as everyone knows, do not count as evidence.

Unless these people are fully prepared to challenge the official findings in court, then it might be better for them to pick a battle they can win instead.


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03 Nov 2019, 1:18 pm

Fnord wrote:
Sure, maybe he was murdered, but that would take a conspiracy of dozens — if not hundreds — of people cooperating without even one breaching their “operational security” in any way.

Because the injuries are consistent with suicide, the Coroner’s report carries the day, and those who believe otherwise are left with their assumptions and suspicions which, as everyone knows, do not count as evidence.

Unless these people are fully prepared to challenge the official findings in court, then it might be better for them to pick a battle they can win instead.
And the only doctors contradicting the NYC ME's findings are for hire doctors paid by Epstein's family.Medical examiner mercineries,how reliably is that.


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