NYT admits the "Deep State" does exist

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You hijacked and derailed this thread by first trying to make the topic fit your definition of the "deep state" rather than sticking to the OP's definition. You then continued derailing it by making the line of discussion about the OP rather than the position he is maintaining and also about you and myself. This thread is now a shambles as a result of it. And instead of having the good graces to stop and get back on topic, you will likely continue with derailing it.

Nope, he attacked me first, saying how "nobody believes" me, the same as you; only then did I turn the discussion back on to him.

I'm just tired of seeing people whining about how they think Trump is so so oppressed, and just sweeping under the rug real abuses.

And yeah, if you want me to address the article specifically. It's good we have a career bureaucracy that is loyal to the Constitution and the country, and not to a single man. And that if they see crap like Trump extorting the President of Ukraine for personal benefit, they're going to stand up and stay something. Because again, their loyalty is to the Constitution and the country, not to Trump. It is now Congress that is investigating Trump and considering whether to impeach. I mean, I guess Trump lovers have a problem with that because it might mean that Trump is either diminished or removed from office, but tough. Congress is carrying out its constitutional duties.

But now the GOP wants to essentially go after the messengers because they are not sufficiently loyal to Trump. They forget that loyalty to Trump is not the same thing as loyalty to the Constitution or the country. And Trump needs to remember that he barely won the last election: he can easily lose the next one. He needs to make sure that he doesn't overstep his mandate. He needs to stop lying to himself and to the public about everything.

After you hijacked this thread the OP said you cannot be taken seriously. You went on to prove him right with several pages of off topic rants. You clearly do not have a grip.

And who's the judge of that, you and JohnPowell? Give me a break.

Actually you and Powell derailed this thread when you both attacked liberals when we were trying to hold a discussion on the US deep state...

Forum posting and debating 101 is the judge of that. You should probably take a refresher course on how it works.

Exactly.

Nope the tread derailed when beneficii hijacked it. Up until then it had been on topic. Similar conduct from beneficii in other threads has resulted in them being locked.

And of course neither of you angels never had anything to do with previous threads getting locked

Is it really that hard to actually discuss the topic or related topics, instead of accusing people of hijacking threads?

Deep State falls into "something necessary scares us lets give it a scary name."

It is necessary to have career government officials? Why because no one gets good at anything without experience and restricting peoples experience to 4 years and turning over every government job with every administration is ridiculously impractical.

Can said officials affect policy? Yes.

When someone suggests the deep state needs to be killed what is the alternative?

The alternative is not to have these unaccountable organisations that threaten/kill/sabotage elected officials at home or abroad.

It is pretty obvious who derailed the thread.

Moot point
The annual budget for the NIP and MIP is close to 70 billion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... nce_budget

and this doesn't cover black projects which account for trillions of dollars unaccounted for in the budget.

I'm not certain what point you're trying to make. Also the unaccounted trillions, is trillions of dollars in accounting errors. That doesn't actually mean there are trillions of dollars being funnelled to black projects.

The premise of Deep State is that there are career bureaucrats in the government who will do their jobs how they see fit regardless of who is elected as their bosses. Furthermore since they're the only ones who understand their job well enough to have a full picture of what is going on, they can work in contrast to the will of the elected officials without getting fired.

The alternative is to not have career bureaucrats, but that is not feasibly possible. If you remove the current bureaucrats, others will arise in their place.

I swear its like arguing with anarchists. Humanity arose out of anarchy and any anarchist society will revert back to its current state.

You really don't understand. These aren't hard working bureaucrats that carry on no matter which party and just do their good ole job. It is unelected psychos working on behalf of the MIC, part of it. That will do whatever it takes to achieve its aims, which are endless wars which includes supporting Al Qaeda and arming ISIS. Supporting neo Nazis to remove foreign leaders and so on. That's what the deep state is and why it needs to be removed.

What is your proposal. Not have an intelligence community?