Will Trump be pulling a Richard Nixon on us?

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TheCherokeeRosePrince
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18 Nov 2019, 9:39 am

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18 Nov 2019, 9:59 am

I hope he does resign----it would save us a lot of trouble.



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18 Nov 2019, 10:13 am

IMO No he won’t

They have predicting Trump’s doom since 2015. They have been predicting Trump’s resignation since before he was inaugurated. Still waiting for this so called inevitable.

Trump has a Republican Senate that Nixon never had. Nixon was facing certain conviction in the Senate. Trump if he is impeached is likely to be acquitted in the Senate.

Nixon’s job approval rating was at 25% percent at the end not in the low 40s. Nixon never had close to the loyalty among his supporters that Trump does. Nixon’s supporters in general were with him because he was against the hippies and the anti war movement, Trump’s supporters tend to like him personally in a way Nixon never had close to having.

Nixon was in his last term. Trump has a chance to win reelection, the ultimate “own the libs”

Trump has to worry about prosecution after he leaves office. Like Nixon could he could be pardoned but Republicans know Nixon’s pardon cost the Republicans dearly. Unlike Nixon he is likely to face New York State charges that are not pardonable by a President Pence.

And last but not least he is not Nixon, a different person.

The opposite will happen. If he loses the election he will claim the election was rigged and he will refuse to leave and will have to be taken out of the White House by force.


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18 Nov 2019, 10:18 am

The difference between Nixon and Trump:

Nixon: "I am NOT a crook!"

Trump: "Yeah, I'm a crook! So what?"

But anyways Trump's health might be falling apart, though of course he and the white house will deny it.


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18 Nov 2019, 10:24 am

I wouldn't count on Trump's physical health "falling apart."

His mental health----now that's another story :P



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18 Nov 2019, 10:49 am

Were as many republican politicians calling watergate a sham the way they are ukraingate (the sequel to russiagate)?



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18 Nov 2019, 10:54 am

What Twizzy predicts in the OP would be the best scenario for the nation. And it would even be best for the GOP too. Let the GOP have the balance of Trump's term (keep the party, but change the man). And give the GOP a shot at winning the 2020 election with the then incumbent Pence as candidate.

But I lean toward agreeing with Aspartofme's prediction more. For the reasons AS said.

Though it IS interesting how Trump only recently officially changed his state of residence to Florida. Might be part of some legal strategy to escape future prosecution by his old home state of New York. Am not a lawyer, so I don't know how well that ploy would work. But it seems logical. And if so...maybe it IS part of some plan to step down.



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18 Nov 2019, 10:55 am

There were many Republicans who weren't thrilled with Nixon, because of some of his "liberal" measures and his foreign policy initiatives.

Nixon just didn't have as much power over the Republicans as Trump does presently.

There was much more bipartisan cooperation back in the Nixon days. There wasn't as much retribution for not "following the party line" as there is today.



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18 Nov 2019, 10:57 am

EzraS wrote:
Were as many republican politicians calling watergate a sham the way they are ukraingate (the sequel to russiagate)?


At first, yes. But the number gradually declined as the evidence mounted. Watergate took two or three years to play out.



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18 Nov 2019, 10:58 am

Maybe he just wants to retire to Florida like a zillion others in their 70s do.



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18 Nov 2019, 10:59 am

That would be okay with me.

Just go down to Florida, and retire with all the other "snowbirds."



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18 Nov 2019, 11:07 am

I hope I never bump into him in Florida. :lol:


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18 Nov 2019, 11:10 am

If he does resign that means we get stuck with Mike Pence for president iow "The Hierophant" (high priest).

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18 Nov 2019, 11:18 am

naturalplastic wrote:
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Were as many republican politicians calling watergate a sham the way they are ukraingate (the sequel to russiagate)?


At first, yes. But the number gradually declined as the evidence mounted. Watergate took two or three years to play out.


Was watergate something else for three years? That's a difference I'm seeing. Like russiagate didn't pan out so it became ukrainegate, which unlike russiagate they are pushing through like you know what through a goose.



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18 Nov 2019, 11:19 am

EzraS wrote:
Maybe he just wants to retire to Florida like a zillion others in their 70s do.


What does that have to do with him officially changing his residence right now?

Why now (just as the impeachment hearings are starting)?

He already has domiciles in both places. And presumably he has no plans for retiring, even from his side gig as POTUS, until 2024. And no public plans for retiring from his main gig as a real estate mogul ever. Why not wait unit either 2020, or 2024 (depending upon the next election that he is assumed to be running in)?



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18 Nov 2019, 11:20 am

EzraS wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Were as many republican politicians calling watergate a sham the way they are ukraingate (the sequel to russiagate)?


At first, yes. But the number gradually declined as the evidence mounted. Watergate took two or three years to play out.


Was watergate something else for three years? That's a difference I'm seeing. Like russiagate didn't pan out so it became ukrainegate, which unlike russiagate they are pushing through like you know what through a goose.


Ukraingate is moving fine without being pushed.