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29 Nov 2019, 2:46 am

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The point I'm trying to make is there were democrat politicians who were against Obama. And Obama was called a dictator / cult leader and that his supporters were brainwashed and worshiped him and all that.


Sound like you are echoing the tweets of the mentally disturbed POTUS who continues posting about Obama 2 years after getting into office.


That might have been a clever remark cyberdad, were it not for the fact that Obama vs Trump is being talked about here because of the article you posted by Noam Shpancer talking about Obama vs Trump.


If that's the case then reference the link + provide the context for your statement....


Can't keep track of your own posts, or did you not read an article you posted again? Scroll back a few posts.

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In any case Trump has a pathological obsession with trying to be more popular than Obama as it's tipping his narcissism out of equilibrium


He's not the only one who displays a pathological obsession.



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29 Nov 2019, 4:36 am

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Of course it implies a blind devotion to a dictator or cult leader. Trump's followers rationalize away that he cheated in every one of his multiple marriages, and deny that he had cheated his employees, contractors, and business partners, and had carried on illicit business with organized crime and our Russian and Saudi enemies. Then there's the whole racism matter that many of his devotees find allows them to voice what they've been thinking all along.
This isn't coming from just angry Democrats, but also those Republicans like Steve Schmidt who know Trump has taken their party into the abyss.


Were there any democrat politicians who were against Obama during his time in office? Was Obama accused of being a dictator / cult leader and were his followers accused of worshipping him? I know the answer to those questions is yes.


Only Republicans tried to make Obama out to be a messianic cult leader/dictator, worshiped my millions of the misled. As it turns out, there was zero evidence to support that appraisal as most Americans knew. Whereas with Trump, Republican elected leaders criticize him privately, but would never dream of saying a word against him in public for fear of his fanatical base.


The point I'm trying to make is there were democrat politicians who were against Obama. And Obama was called a dictator / cult leader and that his supporters were brainwashed and worshiped him and all that.

How would you know that republican elected leaders criticize him privately? Do you ever put aside the fervor of your bias and emotions and view things logically?

If Republican elected leaders criticize him privately, but would never dream of saying a word against him in public for fear of his fanatical base, that means you would not know about it. Which means that's a rumor. There are a lot of rumors and suspicions and innuendo that a lot of democrats view as facts. The same as when republicans viewed rumors, suspicion and innuendo against Obama as facts.

But I know you will split hairs and say that's different.



We know plenty of Republican politicians criticize Trump privately but not publicly because those Democrats and "never Trumper" Republicans have reported as such. It stands to reason they're fearful of being voted out of office for fear of losing their jobs to fanatical Trump supporters. These are men and women versed in how the government is supposed to work, but are morally too weak to stand up in front of the cameras.


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29 Nov 2019, 5:25 am

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We know plenty of Republican politicians criticize Trump privately but not publicly because those Democrats and "never Trumper" Republicans have reported as such. It stands to reason they're fearful of being voted out of office for fear of losing their jobs to fanatical Trump supporters. These are men and women versed in how the government is supposed to work, but are morally too weak to stand up in front of the cameras.


So how are they keeping what is apparently public knowledge away from Trump and his fanatical supporters?



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29 Nov 2019, 1:36 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
We know plenty of Republican politicians criticize Trump privately but not publicly because those Democrats and "never Trumper" Republicans have reported as such. It stands to reason they're fearful of being voted out of office for fear of losing their jobs to fanatical Trump supporters. These are men and women versed in how the government is supposed to work, but are morally too weak to stand up in front of the cameras.


It looks like you may be right:

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(CNN)Former Republican congressman Charlie Dent said Thursday some of his former colleagues in the House of Representatives have privately told him they are "absolutely disgusted and exhausted by the President's behavior."

Dent told CNN's Ana Cabrera on "Newsroom" that House Republicans are standing with the President at the moment because of base pressure, but said "they resent being put in this position all the time."

Dent, who is a CNN political commentator, cited the Trump administration trying to "pivot from the Ukraine scandal" by announcing the 2020 G7 summit at the Trump National Doral resort. The decision was later reversed.

"Moving from one corrupt act to another," Dent said. "I mean those types of head-exploding moments are just I think infuriating these members and I think they'd like to step out but they just can't because of their base at the moment."


https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/politics ... index.html


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29 Nov 2019, 2:17 pm

You just have to laugh when liberals are cheering on war mongering Republicans and people who want a surveillance state against Trump just cause they've been brainwashed by the liberal war mongering media to hate Trump. Sad.


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29 Nov 2019, 2:45 pm

So how is pardoning clear & obvious war crimes not also warmongering? Are you selling us something?


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29 Nov 2019, 4:25 pm

In an ad, Pete Buttigieg said we shouldn't have tuition-free college because that would mean also paying for rich people to send their children to college. AOC hits back at Buttigieg for this comment:

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"This is a GOP talking point used to dismantle public systems, & it's sad to see a Dem candidate adopt it," she wrote. "Just like rich kids can attend public school, they should be able to attend tuition-free public college."

"Universal public systems are designed to benefit EVERYBODY!" she continued. "Everyone contributes & everyone enjoys. We don't ban the rich from public schools, firefighters, or libraries bc they are public goods."

Ocasio-Cortez argued an advantage of universal systems was that "everyone's invested," and she said "carving people out & adding asterisks" would cause "cracks in the system."

She added that "many children of the elite want to go to private, Ivyesque schools anyway," which could still charge tuition fees under the policy.


https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-sla ... ge-2019-11

I agree with AOC here.


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29 Nov 2019, 6:57 pm

Orcasio-Cortez is correct, we have free education in Australia and wealthy folk never send their kids to public childcare, kindergartens, schools or to second tier universities because they want to keep their kids in exclusive institutions that maintains their class.



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29 Nov 2019, 7:02 pm

EzraS wrote:
He's not the only one who displays a pathological obsession.


He's the POTUS so is held to a higher level in terms of his personal integrity and responsibility to the American people. In any case Michael Moore's hypothesis in Farenheight 9-11 is on the ball that Trump never expected he would win the US election as it was initially just a stunt to get NBC to give him a higher salary than Gwen Stefani on the reality TV circuit :lol: .



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29 Nov 2019, 7:08 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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He's not the only one who displays a pathological obsession.


He's the POTUS so is held to a higher level in terms of his personal integrity and responsibility to the American people. In any case Michael Moore's hypothesis in Farenheight 9-11 is on the ball that Trump never expected he would win the US election as it was initially just a stunt to get NBC to give him a higher salary than Gwen Stefani on the reality TV circuit :lol: .


Good one, Stan.



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29 Nov 2019, 7:11 pm

EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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He's not the only one who displays a pathological obsession.


He's the POTUS so is held to a higher level in terms of his personal integrity and responsibility to the American people. In any case Michael Moore's hypothesis in Farenheight 9-11 is on the ball that Trump never expected he would win the US election as it was initially just a stunt to get NBC to give him a higher salary than Gwen Stefani on the reality TV circuit :lol: .


Good one, Stan.


Well you gotta admit, Moore has his finger on the pulse as he was the only person the left who predicted Trump's victory based on historic trends at the time.



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29 Nov 2019, 7:13 pm

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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He's not the only one who displays a pathological obsession.


He's the POTUS so is held to a higher level in terms of his personal integrity and responsibility to the American people. In any case Michael Moore's hypothesis in Farenheight 9-11 is on the ball that Trump never expected he would win the US election as it was initially just a stunt to get NBC to give him a higher salary than Gwen Stefani on the reality TV circuit :lol: .


Good one, Stan.


Well you gotta admit, Moore has his finger on the pulse as he was the only person the left who predicted Trump's victory based on historic trends at the time.


Getting a bit off track cyberdad.



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29 Nov 2019, 7:19 pm

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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He's not the only one who displays a pathological obsession.


He's the POTUS so is held to a higher level in terms of his personal integrity and responsibility to the American people. In any case Michael Moore's hypothesis in Farenheight 9-11 is on the ball that Trump never expected he would win the US election as it was initially just a stunt to get NBC to give him a higher salary than Gwen Stefani on the reality TV circuit :lol: .


Good one, Stan.


Well you gotta admit, Moore has his finger on the pulse as he was the only person the left who predicted Trump's victory based on historic trends at the time.


Not true. TYT's Cenk Uygur also predicted Trump's victory:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... 9-259.html


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29 Nov 2019, 7:24 pm

beneficii wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
He's not the only one who displays a pathological obsession.


He's the POTUS so is held to a higher level in terms of his personal integrity and responsibility to the American people. In any case Michael Moore's hypothesis in Farenheight 9-11 is on the ball that Trump never expected he would win the US election as it was initially just a stunt to get NBC to give him a higher salary than Gwen Stefani on the reality TV circuit :lol: .


Good one, Stan.


Well you gotta admit, Moore has his finger on the pulse as he was the only person the left who predicted Trump's victory based on historic trends at the time.


Not true. TYT's Cenk Uygur also predicted Trump's victory:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... 9-259.html


True :) Cenk was formerly a conservative and actually understands the republican mind quite well so I am not surprised



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29 Nov 2019, 9:04 pm

EzraS wrote:
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We know plenty of Republican politicians criticize Trump privately but not publicly because those Democrats and "never Trumper" Republicans have reported as such. It stands to reason they're fearful of being voted out of office for fear of losing their jobs to fanatical Trump supporters. These are men and women versed in how the government is supposed to work, but are morally too weak to stand up in front of the cameras.


So how are they keeping what is apparently public knowledge away from Trump and his fanatical supporters?


Not public knowledge, but the Republicans in the senate and congress, as well as state legislatures and state houses, can and do talk to Democrats they're friendly with. They tell the Dems how Trump is a subnormal idiot, how he's a liar, a racist, how he's betrayed conservative principles, not to mention that he and his family are as corrupt as hell and are enriching themselves through the White House. But they're afraid to speak out for fear that they'll be voted out by the Trump cult. The Dems, without usually naming names, talk in interviews about this, as do those few brave Republicans who can no longer remain silent.


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29 Nov 2019, 9:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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We know plenty of Republican politicians criticize Trump privately but not publicly because those Democrats and "never Trumper" Republicans have reported as such. It stands to reason they're fearful of being voted out of office for fear of losing their jobs to fanatical Trump supporters. These are men and women versed in how the government is supposed to work, but are morally too weak to stand up in front of the cameras.


So how are they keeping what is apparently public knowledge away from Trump and his fanatical supporters?


Not public knowledge, but the Republicans in the senate and congress, as well as state legislatures and state houses, can and do talk to Democrats they're friendly with. They tell the Dems how Trump is a subnormal idiot, how he's a liar, a racist, how he's betrayed conservative principles, not to mention that he and his family are as corrupt as hell and are enriching themselves through the White House. But they're afraid to speak out for fear that they'll be voted out by the Trump cult. The Dems, without usually naming names, talk in interviews about this, as do those few brave Republicans who can no longer remain silent.


If it's not public knowledge then how do you know about it?