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25 Nov 2019, 4:33 pm

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I never said being against war made you a traitor, or even that Gabbard is. I just don't like the company she keeps in order to gain influence.




Kamala Harris says it best that Gabbard is literally a republican plant
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/kama ... ?r=US&IR=T

Looks like I'm not the only one to notice Tulsi Gabbard is quite literally a 5th column within the democrat party


Oh, alright. Anybody who criticizes their own party must be a plant from the opposition. Good grief, man! So what does a candidate who wants to clean up the corruption in government do? Just point out the bad deeds of the other team, and shut the f**k up about the bad deeds of their own party?

Everything the corporate Dems are doing to Gabbard is so blatant and obvious! But by all means, if you need me to explain it to you, just ask. Hopefully, though, you can figure it out on your own.


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26 Nov 2019, 2:15 am

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The Search Continues for a Premise to the Buttigieg Candidacy

Nolan McCaskill reports in Politico:
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The longest-serving African American man on the South Bend, Ind., Common Council is endorsing Joe Biden for president, a rejection of Pete Buttigieg that highlights the South Bend mayor’s struggles with black voters.

Councilman Oliver Davis told POLITICO that while it’s nice to see someone representing Indiana in the Democratic presidential primary and bringing national attention to South Bend, Biden is more experienced... Davis also scolded Buttigieg, saying the mayor’s woes attracting support from communities of color “is not a new problem for him.”


On this I don't agree with the African American lobby...not everything is about race



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26 Nov 2019, 2:16 am

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Bootedge did say he would send troops to Mexico.

Read his speech, he said he would cooperate with the Mexican army to battle the cartels. He didn't say send in the troops.

When asked if he would he said he would if Mexico were ok with it. You can't help the rat wriggle out of it.


Buttigeig retracted this when confronted by Tulsi Gabbard during a debate. So he is also on the record for saying he will not send troops.



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26 Nov 2019, 2:19 am

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So what does a candidate who wants to clean up the corruption in government do? Just point out the bad deeds of the other team, and shut the f**k up about the bad deeds of their own party?


If she was really a team player she would have closed ranks long ago. Remember she has to work with the same party after trashing them for years.



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26 Nov 2019, 2:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
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Bootedge did say he would send troops to Mexico.

Read his speech, he said he would cooperate with the Mexican army to battle the cartels. He didn't say send in the troops.

When asked if he would he said he would if Mexico were ok with it. You can't help the rat wriggle out of it.


Buttigeig retracted this when confronted by Tulsi Gabbard during a debate. So he is also on the record for saying he will not send troops.


How pathetic :lol: Rather than admitting you were wrong you make up another lie. This isn't clown world. He's on tape in the debate LYING!! Try to keep reading that until it sinks in.


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26 Nov 2019, 5:14 am

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How pathetic :lol: Rather than admitting you were wrong you make up another lie. This isn't clown world. He's on tape in the debate LYING!! Try to keep reading that until it sinks in.


Big deal John...Trump also claimed he'd do lots of things that he never did...politicians say stuff in the heat of the moment but don't follow through...



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26 Nov 2019, 8:15 am

And out comes the go to response 'muh derp Trump'. Have the guts to admit you were wrong and withdraw your lies about Gabbard.


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26 Nov 2019, 11:16 am

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So what does a candidate who wants to clean up the corruption in government do? Just point out the bad deeds of the other team, and shut the f**k up about the bad deeds of their own party?


If she was really a team player she would have closed ranks long ago. Remember she has to work with the same party after trashing them for years.


In other words, she should just shut up, be like all the other miserable Dems, and bend to the will of her corporate masters. At least you're honest. You can b***h about Trump all day long, but in the end you are advocating for maintaining a system that made it possible for him to become president in the first place. You are part of the problem, not the solution.


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26 Nov 2019, 9:14 pm

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So what does a candidate who wants to clean up the corruption in government do? Just point out the bad deeds of the other team, and shut the f**k up about the bad deeds of their own party?


If she was really a team player she would have closed ranks long ago. Remember she has to work with the same party after trashing them for years.


In other words, she should just shut up, be like all the other miserable Dems, and bend to the will of her corporate masters. At least you're honest. You can b***h about Trump all day long, but in the end you are advocating for maintaining a system that made it possible for him to become president in the first place. You are part of the problem, not the solution.


As opposed to Republican corporate masters?


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26 Nov 2019, 9:43 pm

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So what does a candidate who wants to clean up the corruption in government do? Just point out the bad deeds of the other team, and shut the f**k up about the bad deeds of their own party?


If she was really a team player she would have closed ranks long ago. Remember she has to work with the same party after trashing them for years.


In other words, she should just shut up, be like all the other miserable Dems, and bend to the will of her corporate masters. At least you're honest. You can b***h about Trump all day long, but in the end you are advocating for maintaining a system that made it possible for him to become president in the first place. You are part of the problem, not the solution.


As opposed to Republican corporate masters?


They are the same. If you actually paid attention to anything I've said here, you wouldn't need to ask silly questions like that.


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26 Nov 2019, 11:09 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
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VegetableMan wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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So what does a candidate who wants to clean up the corruption in government do? Just point out the bad deeds of the other team, and shut the f**k up about the bad deeds of their own party?


If she was really a team player she would have closed ranks long ago. Remember she has to work with the same party after trashing them for years.


In other words, she should just shut up, be like all the other miserable Dems, and bend to the will of her corporate masters. At least you're honest. You can b***h about Trump all day long, but in the end you are advocating for maintaining a system that made it possible for him to become president in the first place. You are part of the problem, not the solution.


As opposed to Republican corporate masters?


They are the same. If you actually paid attention to anything I've said here, you wouldn't need to ask silly questions like that.


So to disprove your point that the Republicans and Democrats "are the same", I only need to show one important difference between them. Let's look at health care.

So, looking at the Affordable Care Act, which was passed by the Democrats while being opposed by nearly every Republican member of Congress, it lessened emergency department visits because people could actually see the doctor to get treatment. That looks like an important difference to me.

Let's look at another area: climate change. The Democrats when they were in the White House funded research for sustainable alternative jet fuels (thanks for the link B19), to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels and thereby reduce carbon emissions. The Republicans are in denial about climate change, and when they came into power, have emphasized the use of fossil fuels, which will have the effect of increasing carbon emissions, which scientists warned us about. So this looks like another important difference to me.

So, looking at the evidence, the statement that the Democrats and Republicans are all the same is false, as important differences exist between them.


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26 Nov 2019, 11:11 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Bootedge did say he would send troops to Mexico.

Read his speech, he said he would cooperate with the Mexican army to battle the cartels. He didn't say send in the troops.


Thanks. This looks like important context that clarifies what Buttigeig meant.


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27 Nov 2019, 12:12 am

beneficii wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
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VegetableMan wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
So what does a candidate who wants to clean up the corruption in government do? Just point out the bad deeds of the other team, and shut the f**k up about the bad deeds of their own party?


If she was really a team player she would have closed ranks long ago. Remember she has to work with the same party after trashing them for years.


In other words, she should just shut up, be like all the other miserable Dems, and bend to the will of her corporate masters. At least you're honest. You can b***h about Trump all day long, but in the end you are advocating for maintaining a system that made it possible for him to become president in the first place. You are part of the problem, not the solution.


As opposed to Republican corporate masters?


They are the same. If you actually paid attention to anything I've said here, you wouldn't need to ask silly questions like that.


So to disprove your point that the Republicans and Democrats "are the same", I only need to show one important difference between them. Let's look at health care.

So, looking at the Affordable Care Act, which was passed by the Democrats while being opposed by nearly every Republican member of Congress, it lessened emergency department visits because people could actually see the doctor to get treatment. That looks like an important difference to me.

Let's look at another area: climate change. The Democrats when they were in the White House funded research for sustainable alternative jet fuels (thanks for the link B19), to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels and thereby reduce carbon emissions. The Republicans are in denial about climate change, and when they came into power, have emphasized the use of fossil fuels, which will have the effect of increasing carbon emissions, which scientists warned us about. So this looks like another important difference to me.

So, looking at the evidence, the statement that the Democrats and Republicans are all the same is false, as important differences exist between them.


VegetableMan is saying they are the same regarding both having corporate masters.



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27 Nov 2019, 12:44 am

beneficii wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
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VegetableMan wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
So what does a candidate who wants to clean up the corruption in government do? Just point out the bad deeds of the other team, and shut the f**k up about the bad deeds of their own party?


If she was really a team player she would have closed ranks long ago. Remember she has to work with the same party after trashing them for years.


In other words, she should just shut up, be like all the other miserable Dems, and bend to the will of her corporate masters. At least you're honest. You can b***h about Trump all day long, but in the end you are advocating for maintaining a system that made it possible for him to become president in the first place. You are part of the problem, not the solution.


As opposed to Republican corporate masters?


They are the same. If you actually paid attention to anything I've said here, you wouldn't need to ask silly questions like that.


So to disprove your point that the Republicans and Democrats "are the same", I only need to show one important difference between them. Let's look at health care.

So, looking at the Affordable Care Act, which was passed by the Democrats while being opposed by nearly every Republican member of Congress, it lessened emergency department visits because people could actually see the doctor to get treatment. That looks like an important difference to me.

Let's look at another area: climate change. The Democrats when they were in the White House funded research for sustainable alternative jet fuels (thanks for the link B19), to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels and thereby reduce carbon emissions. The Republicans are in denial about climate change, and when they came into power, have emphasized the use of fossil fuels, which will have the effect of increasing carbon emissions, which scientists warned us about. So this looks like another important difference to me.

So, looking at the evidence, the statement that the Democrats and Republicans are all the same is false, as important differences exist between them.


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27 Nov 2019, 1:06 am

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In other words, she should just shut up, be like all the other miserable Dems, and bend to the will of her corporate masters. At least you're honest. You can b***h about Trump all day long, but in the end you are advocating for maintaining a system that made it possible for him to become president in the first place. You are part of the problem, not the solution.


The democrats aren't like the republicans in one sense....

I recall a certain Donald Trump attacking his own party members with considerable ferocity during the republican primaries in 2016 (nobody could forget Trump's attack on Ted Cruz's wife) . The same recipients of Trump's slander (Rubio, Cruz, Romney, Lindsay Graham) are now all pretending he's a great guy because they are basically slime-balls like Trump expect they have a filter and don't just say whatever is on their mind on twitter.

In stark contrast the democrats have some semblance of decency and would not have a bar of Gabbard in any leadership role after her constant undermining of the party she is supposed to serve. Especially given her boast of having a long military career it's a bit strange she doesn't want to be a team player. Politics is a team sport, Trump broke the mould because the voting public are disengaged with conventional politics and are flirting with populist right wing nutjobs.



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27 Nov 2019, 5:15 am

There's something I picked up on a long time ago, that I see quite frequently. When someone criticizes the democrats, someone else replies with something like "and the republicans don't?". Like in this thread. Very often criticism is met with a variation of "so do the republicans". Which translates to me as "democrats are just like republicans"