02.04.20 Theory about why Pelosi is delaying

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31 Dec 2019, 1:20 pm

This is awesome:

http://huffp.st/zFDCZot

Even if it isn’t why, it’s funny now and could become WILDLY entertaining! :D


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31 Dec 2019, 1:26 pm

While I hope he is removed, I worry that Pence could be worse.


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31 Dec 2019, 2:30 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
While I hope he is removed, I worry that Pence could be worse.


Pence is implicated. I hope he’s removed, too.


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31 Dec 2019, 2:35 pm

I feel like this theory is at least half-plausible.

There are no "articles of impeachment" against Pence.



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31 Dec 2019, 10:45 pm

Whatever the reason, it only adds to the notion that the whole thing is just a lot of conniving.



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31 Dec 2019, 11:11 pm

EzraS wrote:
Whatever the reason, it only adds to the notion that the whole thing is just a lot of conniving.


Even if the real reason is as they’ve been saying? That they want assurances that the Senate trial will be fair vs a total sham?


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01 Jan 2020, 12:17 am

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Whatever the reason, it only adds to the notion that the whole thing is just a lot of conniving.


Even if the real reason is as they’ve been saying? That they want assurances that the Senate trial will be fair vs a total sham?


A legitimate reason should be seen as legitimate. But if it is about trying to manipulate a politically advantageous outcome, then it should be seen as conniving. And ironically, as an abuse of power.



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01 Jan 2020, 6:04 pm

After the House passed the two articles of impeachment, there were rumblings in the news on when they would get handed to the Senate. Trump is fit to be tied on the issue because it currently blocks him from being able to use the Senate vote to exonerate him from removal of office. Looking at the Constitution, there is no timeline for when this needs to be done. We are at a new political stage, as the founders of our Constitution could not see something like this situation coming to fruition. So, this leads me to an interesting possibility: The Speaker of the House might just sit on the impeachment articles until after the current election cycle is done (past Nov.3, 2020).

Why you might ask? Well, if Trump does get reelected but the Republican party loses too many seats in the Senate, it could then be used to remove him by vote after they get seated in power (Jan. 2021). If Trump does not get reelected, it could be held as a token push back on the Republican party and a tarnish on Trump's presidential image that he could not fix while he was in office. This hurts his image, something that he values greatly. If this is the path that the Speaker takes, it may be politically expensive route to take as there are some seats in the House that are on the line this year. To complicate things more, the House can also start another line of impeachment on other counts that they did not consider in the two that did pass and do the same thing again. There is no rule against that from occurring. Just my two cents on the matter.



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01 Jan 2020, 10:48 pm

^Very interesting insight. I knew the latter bit, that they could write up more articles of impeachment, but hadn’t considered that they might hold them long enough to try to flip the Senate. That would be a pretty slick move.


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01 Jan 2020, 11:31 pm

Several on both sides suspect that the impeachment has been all about trying to manipulate the playing field. To get the Democrats the senate majority. I have heard different but similar scenarios about how that could be accomplished.



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02 Jan 2020, 12:37 am

EzraS wrote:
Several on both sides suspect that the impeachment has been all about trying to manipulate the playing field. To get the Democrats the senate majority. I have heard different but similar scenarios about how that could be accomplished.


IF this is really what they’re attempting then Nancy & crew may be a whole lot smarter than they’ve let on these passed few months.


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02 Jan 2020, 8:55 am

I hope it happens...but electing a Democratically-controlled Senate would be a fairly tall order—but not impossible.

Five seats would have to go Democratic.



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02 Jan 2020, 9:01 am

Were in unchartered waters here so this could end up in the courts being that the house has never before withheld the articles of impeachment,is it legal?


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