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21 Dec 2019, 4:46 am

With mumps outbreak and flu on the rise in Phoenix, can employers mandate vaccines?

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A community-wide outbreak of mumps has hit metro Phoenix — the first the Valley has seen in decades.

This contagious disease can be avoided with the MMR vaccine, which covers measles, mumps and rubella, but some parents are skipping this vaccine for their 18-month-old infants for fear of triggering autism.

But it's not widely known that many employers can require workers to be vaccinated, said John Balitis, chairman of the labor and employment department at Jennings, Strouss & Salmon PLC law firm in Phoenix.

"In fact, an argument can be made that some employers — hospitals, for example — may be liable for the repercussions if they don't impose such a requirement," Balitis said.

But requiring vaccinations for workers comes with risks. It might be better for an employer to strongly encourage vaccinations rather than requiring them, he said.

"If the risk is slight, imposing such a requirement may not be worth the morale consequences or administrative burdens the requirement might cause," he said.

Some religious beliefs prohibit individuals from being vaccinated, while some forms of disability preclude other individuals form receiving a vaccination. In these cases, the employer must reasonably accommodate the impacted workers unless doing so would cause an undue hardship.

Another exception may arise in a union environment, he said.

"If a union bargains for the right to make vaccinations optional, and this right is incorporated into the parties' collective bargaining agreement, then it stands to reason that the employer in that scenario cannot require vaccinations," Balitis said. "Similarly, a unionized employer may not be able to impose a vaccination requirement without bargaining to impasse on it first."


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25 Dec 2019, 7:49 am

Schools require them. For excellent reasons.

No adult, even anti-vaxxers agree, has contracted autism from a vaccination.

Why not just get the shots? There’s an epidemic going on.

People are getting diseases again because of the refusal to vaccinate.



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25 Dec 2019, 8:08 am

Mandatory vaccinations are often a requirement to be a medical professional. Companies in the US have a lot of leeway in their requirements. If they an require ppl to not smoke to be employed, then they can certainly require vaccinations.



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25 Dec 2019, 8:42 am

Not getting vaccinations is like allowing Typhoid Mary to continue to cook food in restaurants.

Public health must be a priority over some libertarian crap.



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25 Dec 2019, 8:44 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
... Why not just get the shots? There’s an epidemic going on.
People are getting diseases again because of the refusal to vaccinate.

My family gets vaccinated.

However, I do happen to have friends working in the vaccine industry. They told me vaccines sometimes do have quality issues and batches have to be destroyed. It's just that consumers don't know about these details. Sure, there are safeguards in place (think about terrorism, blackmail). Still, vaccine means a foreign substance going into someone's body. It gets to the level of personal sovereignty. That is, absolutely no one in the world can force anyone else to take a vaccine: it's a basic human right. Each living, conscious adult makes their own decision. On the other hand, there is always risk in life: every bite of food you eat, comes with its risk, right? It's impossible to eliminate risks. We can only handle risks as best as we can.

Can employers demand vaccination? Surely they can. It's a business transaction, in exchange for continued employment. The liability theoretically goes to the vaccine provider and administrator, when things go wrong. But in practice, you know the liability is too high for employers to demand. Even in the medical field (healthcare providers), it remains a controversial issue, and the dust is not settled. See https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21414.pdf.

It's a bit like taking airplanes or elevators, or going onto roller coasters. Most people know these things are safe because they see other people do it. Still, we all know there are people that don't take airplanes or elevators, or don't get on roller coasters. Really, I once knew a student that had to walk up 6 floors, instead of taking the elevator.


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25 Dec 2019, 8:45 am

Public health supersedes “personal sovereignty.”



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25 Dec 2019, 9:04 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Public health supersedes “personal sovereignty.”

That's your opinion.

Why do you think there are draft dodgers? Obviously some people place their personal sovereignty over public interests.

In practice, education, awareness campaigns, making recommendations, making lives of non-compliant people a bit more complicated, is all what we can do.


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