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28 Dec 2019, 8:44 am

Mexican authorities have arrested a municipal police chief for his suspected role in the massacre of three women and six children of mormon American origin near the US mexican border on november 4th.

Law enforcement agents arrested Fidel Alejandro Villegas,police chief of the city of Janos,which is in the state of Chihuahua,on suspicion of murder.

Mexican officials believe the women and children were killed after being caught up in a dispute between local drug cartels battling for control of the area.

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28 Dec 2019, 9:21 am

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28 Dec 2019, 9:43 am

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Mexican authorities have arrested a municipal police chief for his suspected role in the massacre of three women and six children of mormon American origin near the US mexican border on november 4th.

I rather wish the news media would stop describing these people as Mormons. They are FLDS, although one could justify calling them "cultists".

Disclaimer I am not Mormon, not in the slightest, but these little inaccuracies go a long way towards slanting the general public's view of current events. As Mormons have a largely positive image in the US, this particular inaccuracy will cause the American public to have more sympathy for these people than is deserved, and commensurate animosity towards Mexico.


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28 Dec 2019, 10:53 am

I feel for these people. As a former Jehovah’s Witness, I often view Mormons as my cult cousins. I can relate to them on many levels.

Sure, it’s obnoxious to go to culturally diverse countries as missionaries to try to convert the local “heathens,” but they were just doing what they thought they were supposed to do. You can’t fault them too much for that.

They probably view these murders as religious persecution. (JWs certainly would)

I don’t blame Mexico for this devastating crime (although they do need to work on lowering their crime rates but they need money to do so). It could’ve happened just about anywhere. People are people no matter where you live.


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28 Dec 2019, 10:57 am

Murder is murder...if the victim is a Mormon or some gangsta drug dealer.

This is mass murder, of course.

What was the police chief’s motivation? Or what would be anybody’s motivation?



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28 Dec 2019, 12:14 pm

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Murder is murder...if the victim is a Mormon or some gangsta drug dealer.

This is mass murder, of course.

What was the police chief’s motivation? Or what would be anybody’s motivation?
My guess is that the police chief was being paid off for his indifference to cartel activities.Thats just a guess.


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28 Dec 2019, 12:15 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Murder is murder...if the victim is a Mormon or some gangsta drug dealer.

This is mass murder, of course.

What was the police chief’s motivation? Or what would be anybody’s motivation?


Money would have to be the main motivator.



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28 Dec 2019, 2:39 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
I feel for these people. As a former Jehovah’s Witness, I often view Mormons as my cult cousins. I can relate to them on many levels.

Sure, it’s obnoxious to go to culturally diverse countries as missionaries to try to convert the local “heathens,” but they were just doing what they thought they were supposed to do. You can’t fault them too much for that.

They probably view these murders as religious persecution. (JWs certainly would)

I don’t blame Mexico for this devastating crime (although they do need to work on lowering their crime rates but they need money to do so). It could’ve happened just about anywhere. People are people no matter where you live.


These were NOT Mormons. They were FDLS, which is a break-away group with serious problems with child abuse, exploitation and financial fraud. Some are criminals and some have been prosecuted and convicted for child abuse, rape, and other crimes.

That said, they should not be killed and that is tragic. But Max is right. They are not Mormons. And I agree it is weird that the new agencies don't point this out.


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28 Dec 2019, 2:42 pm

Mmmm.....learn something new every day.



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28 Dec 2019, 2:58 pm

blazingstar wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I feel for these people. As a former Jehovah’s Witness, I often view Mormons as my cult cousins. I can relate to them on many levels.

Sure, it’s obnoxious to go to culturally diverse countries as missionaries to try to convert the local “heathens,” but they were just doing what they thought they were supposed to do. You can’t fault them too much for that.

They probably view these murders as religious persecution. (JWs certainly would)

I don’t blame Mexico for this devastating crime (although they do need to work on lowering their crime rates but they need money to do so). It could’ve happened just about anywhere. People are people no matter where you live.


These were NOT Mormons. They were FDLS, which is a break-away group with serious problems with child abuse, exploitation and financial fraud. Some are criminals and some have been prosecuted and convicted for child abuse, rape, and other crimes.

That said, they should not be killed and that is tragic. But Max is right. They are not Mormons. And I agree it is weird that the new agencies don't point this out.
Well they actually are technicaly Mormons,the FLDS is a fundamentalist polygomy practicing sect of the "Church of latter day saints".


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28 Dec 2019, 3:12 pm

Why are we debating the nature of their religion? This wasn't an issue of some neonazis targeting Jews, this was a drug related killing. Why is religion so important here?



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28 Dec 2019, 3:30 pm

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Why are we debating the nature of their religion? This wasn't an issue of some neonazis targeting Jews, this was a drug related killing. Why is religion so important here?

The importance is that, by identifying the victims as "Mormons", a connection is established between this crime that happened in Mexico and average Americans, as compared to what the situation would be had the victims been "ordinary" Mexicans.

This is based on an assumption that Americans have a largely favorable or at least benign view of the Mormon church, which is widely perceived as a particularly "American" denomination.


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28 Dec 2019, 3:33 pm

Oh, ok



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28 Dec 2019, 3:34 pm

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Why are we debating the nature of their religion? This wasn't an issue of some neonazis targeting Jews, this was a drug related killing. Why is religion so important here?
It's not really important,but Mormon was in the news article headline,so it became an issue.The peoples religion doesn't matter,the crime was horrible.


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28 Dec 2019, 5:43 pm

They are not Mormons. This IS important, because the breakaway sect breaks US laws and exploits US government benefits all the time and mostly goes unpunished.

the murders are horrible.

But the only reason it made the news is because they are white and, apparently US citizens. Mexicans are murdered like this frequently and we don't even notice.


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28 Dec 2019, 8:27 pm

blazingstar wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I feel for these people. As a former Jehovah’s Witness, I often view Mormons as my cult cousins. I can relate to them on many levels.

Sure, it’s obnoxious to go to culturally diverse countries as missionaries to try to convert the local “heathens,” but they were just doing what they thought they were supposed to do. You can’t fault them too much for that.

They probably view these murders as religious persecution. (JWs certainly would)

I don’t blame Mexico for this devastating crime (although they do need to work on lowering their crime rates but they need money to do so). It could’ve happened just about anywhere. People are people no matter where you live.


These were NOT Mormons. They were FDLS, which is a break-away group with serious problems with child abuse, exploitation and financial fraud. Some are criminals and some have been prosecuted and convicted for child abuse, rape, and other crimes.

That said, they should not be killed and that is tragic. But Max is right. They are not Mormons. And I agree it is weird that the new agencies don't point this out.



You think that Mormons and JWs don’t have pervasive problems with child sex abuse? Believe me, they do! JWs especially and on a large scale.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... sex-abuses


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