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04 Jan 2020, 6:37 pm

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Israel has the most to lose if Iran has nuclear capabilities, a fat lot of good it will do Israel to have the US or the Saudis as allies if they are a heap of ash.


That is the concern.



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It would have been pointless to run it by Congress, not to mention time consuming. Congress would shoot down anything Trump wanted to do and they would have absolutely no problem allowing the employees and delegates at the US embassy die. Who cares about the few!? It's the many Congress has their eyes on.

Obama delivered something like 1.7 Billion dollars to Iran in the middle of the night. The nuclear agreement drawn up imperiled Israel. Obama hated Israel, as does Iran.

No Benghazi's on Republican watch!


It wasn't "given to Iran". It was IRAN's money. The US gives Israel $10 million a day out of YOUR money while Americans decompose on the streets. And what does Israel give you in return? NOTHING. Just more demands and Americans to go and kill brown people and die and go back home in wheelchairs or go home and kill themselves. F**k Israel.



Not if they were sanctioned... A sanction was meant as a punishment and any 'deal' made with Iran that offered that sanctioned money back to them undermined the initial punishment. Every dime the government pays out is taxpayer money. With out us, they wouldn't be s**t.

Some Israelis (Jews) are brown/black people too, John. Just like some Muslims are white/black skinned... Some Catholics are brown/black, etc...

Israel has the most to lose if Iran has nuclear capabilities, a fat lot of good it will do Israel to have the US or the Saudis as allies if they are a heap of ash. You know this, you just hate Israel so much that you pretend you don't.


It's Iran's assets and money. Stopping them selling THEIR oil. All on the horse manure lies from Israel that Netanyahu famously tried to sell at the UN with a CARTOON drawing. They aren't building a bomb. It takes a few words to explain that they need to be around 95% uranium enrichment to build a bomb and they are around 5%! !! ! They have the right to enrich it for energy, especially since they aren't allowed to sell THEIR oil.

Awwww diddums. Poor Israel with their hundreds of nukes they helped get from stealing secrets from the U.S. Get a little violin out so we can cry together as Israel shoots kids in the face and plays the victims. If Iran even came close to getting a nuke they would be done and know it.


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04 Jan 2020, 6:47 pm

Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty, Israel hasn't. They have no leg to stand on. Yes I hate Israel. Anyone who loves child murdering state sponsoring terrorists is the one with the problem.


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Israel has the most to lose if Iran has nuclear capabilities, a fat lot of good it will do Israel to have the US or the Saudis as allies if they are a heap of ash.


That is the concern.


Only if you are blinded by propaganda.

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04 Jan 2020, 7:29 pm

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The US support Al Qaeda.


That is a very strange statement. Source???

According to Wikipedia:

Al-Qaeda (/ælˈkaɪdə, ˌælkɑːˈiːdə/; Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-Qāʿidah, IPA: [ælqɑːʕɪdɐ], translation: "The Base", "The Foundation" or "The Database", alternatively spelled al-Qaida and al-Qa'ida) is a militant Sunni Islamist multi-national organization founded in 1988 by Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam, and several other Arab volunteers during the Soviet–Afghan War.

Al-Qaeda members believe in a conviction that a Christian–Jewish alliance is conspiring to destroy Islam. As Salafist jihadists, members of al-Qaeda believe that the killing of non-combatants is religiously sanctioned. This belief ignores the aspects of religious scripture which forbid the murder of non-combatants and internecine fighting. Al-Qaeda also opposes what it regards as man-made laws, and wants to replace them with a strict form of sharia law. Al-Qaeda's leaders regard liberal Muslims, Shias, Sufis and other sects as heretical and its members and sympathizers have attacked their mosques and gatherings.

Al-Qaeda has carried out a total of six major attacks, four of them in its jihad against America. In each case the leadership planned the attack years in advance, arranging for the shipment of weapons and explosives and using its businesses to provide operatives with safehouses and false identities. [One of the most critical was the 9/11 attack on New York and Washington D.C.]


The US intelligence agencies were helping Al Qaeda move around the country before 9/11. The US supported Al Qaeda to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. The US supported Al Qaeda in Syria and Libya. Who do you think those 'moderate rebels' driving around the country in tanks with assault rifles screaming "Alahu akbar!" In Tripoli going on to chop off heads and sodomize Gadaffi with a knife? WHO do you think those 'moderate rebels' in Syria were running around chopping off the head's of priests and eating the hearts of soldiers they killed? Get a grip and wake the hell up.


Before 9/11, I do not believe the U.S. really had an understanding of how dangerous Al Qaeda was.

In December 1998, the Director of the CIA Counterterrorism Center reported to President Bill Clinton that al-Qaeda was preparing to launch attacks in the United States, and that the group was training personnel to hijack aircraft. On September 11, 2001, al-Qaeda attacked the United States, hijacking four airliners within the country and deliberately crashing two into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. The third plane crashed into the western side of the Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia. The fourth plane was crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.[196] In total, the attackers killed 2,977 victims and injured more than 6,000 others.

On February 2, 2014, al-Qaeda distanced itself from ISIS and its actions in Syria, however during 2014–15, ISIS and the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front were still able to occasionally cooperate in their fight against the Syrian government. Al-Nusra (backed by Saudi Arabia and Turkey as part of the Army of Conquest during 2015–2017) launched many attacks and bombings, mostly against targets affiliated with or supportive of the Syrian government. From October 2015, Russian air strikes targeted positions held by al-Nusra Front, as well as other Islamist and non-Islamist rebels, while the US also targeted al-Nusra with airstrikes.] In early 2016, a leading ISIL ideologue described al-Qaeda as the "Jews of jihad".

So since this thread was focused on the killing of Qassim Soleimani, who some describe as an Iranian General. My initial question is why is an Iranian General in Bagdad in the first place. He was the mastermind of terror throughout the Middle East setting the entire region on fire. Was his next target the takeover of Iraq by the Iranians?

According to Wikipedia:

In March 2007, Soleimani was included on a list of Iranian individuals targeted with sanctions in United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747. On 18 May 2011, he was sanctioned again by the United States along with Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and other senior Syrian officials due to his alleged involvement in providing material support to the Syrian government.

On 24 June 2011, the Official Journal of the European Union said the three Iranian Revolutionary Guard members now subject to sanctions had been "providing equipment and support to help the Syrian government suppress protests in Syria". The Iranians added to the EU sanctions list were two Revolutionary Guard commanders, Soleimani, Mohammad Ali Jafari, and the Guard's deputy commander for intelligence, Hossein Taeb. Soleimani was also sanctioned by the Swiss government in September 2011 due to the same grounds cited by the European Union.

He was listed by the United States as a known terrorist, which forbade U.S. citizens from doing business with him. The list, published in the EU's Official Journal on 24 June 2011, also included a Syrian property firm, an investment fund and two other enterprises accused of funding the Syrian government. The list also included Mohammad Ali Jafari and Hossein Taeb.

On 13 November 2018, the United States sanctioned an Iraqi military leader named Shibl Muhsin ‘Ubayd Al-Zaydi and others who allegedly were acting on Qasem Soleimani's behalf in financing military actions in Syria or otherwise providing support for terrorism in the region.


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04 Jan 2020, 7:34 pm

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Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty, Israel hasn't. They have no leg to stand on. Yes I hate Israel. Anyone who loves child murdering state sponsoring terrorists is the one with the problem.



John, the Palestinians have been free to relocate since their land was reclaimed by the Jews. Not only do they choose not to leave, but are not above using their children as human shields. So, I would argue that the Palestinians hate their own children, or love the land more. I'm not sure which.

When you go about screaming, you appear unhinged.


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04 Jan 2020, 8:19 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Israel has the most to lose if Iran has nuclear capabilities, a fat lot of good it will do Israel to have the US or the Saudis as allies if they are a heap of ash.


That is the concern.


Only if you are blinded by propaganda.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... ssion=true


Hasn't Iran vowed to eliminate Israel?

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A top Iranian general has said Iran will annihilate Israel, boasted that Iran could easily defeat Saudi Arabia, and threatened to overrun American military bases in the Middle East. https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-irani ... te-israel/



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05 Jan 2020, 2:28 am

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It would have been pointless to run it by Congress, not to mention time consuming. Congress would shoot down anything Trump wanted to do and they would have absolutely no problem allowing the employees and delegates at the US embassy die. Who cares about the few!? It's the many Congress has their eyes on.

Obama delivered something like 1.7 Billion dollars to Iran in the middle of the night. The nuclear agreement drawn up imperiled Israel. Obama hated Israel, as does Iran.

No Benghazi's on Republican watch!


You mean Congress would have slowed things down a little in order to consider the consequences & what comes next.

Obama released Iran’s own money back to them that was frozen due to sanctions. He didn’t give them American tax dollars.

That nuclear agreement provided stability. Now the world is at the whim of trump’s impulses.



Stability for whom? Not Israel, I can assure you. But, Canada is notoriously anti-Israel.


:lol: At Canada being anti-Israel. Based on what? According to who? :? :lol:

Canada is simply anti-senseless conflict - but we do have a very well trained and respected special forces team & other military members known for punching above their weight class in combat. We just, in general, have no use for going around the world murdering people for the sake of generating bullet sales for arms makers.


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05 Jan 2020, 3:30 am

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Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty, Israel hasn't. They have no leg to stand on. Yes I hate Israel. Anyone who loves child murdering state sponsoring terrorists is the one with the problem.



John, the Palestinians have been free to relocate since their land was reclaimed by the Jews. Not only do they choose not to leave, but are not above using their children as human shields. So, I would argue that the Palestinians hate their own children, or love the land more. I'm not sure which.

When you go about screaming, you appear unhinged.


reclaimed?

okay, where do you suppose all those palestinians are supposed to
go? how is their claim to the land any weaker?


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05 Jan 2020, 10:17 am

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It would have been pointless to run it by Congress, not to mention time consuming. Congress would shoot down anything Trump wanted to do and they would have absolutely no problem allowing the employees and delegates at the US embassy die. Who cares about the few!? It's the many Congress has their eyes on.

Obama delivered something like 1.7 Billion dollars to Iran in the middle of the night. The nuclear agreement drawn up imperiled Israel. Obama hated Israel, as does Iran.

No Benghazi's on Republican watch!


You mean Congress would have slowed things down a little in order to consider the consequences & what comes next.

Obama released Iran’s own money back to them that was frozen due to sanctions. He didn’t give them American tax dollars.

That nuclear agreement provided stability. Now the world is at the whim of trump’s impulses.



Stability for whom? Not Israel, I can assure you. But, Canada is notoriously anti-Israel.


:lol: At Canada being anti-Israel. Based on what? According to who? :? :lol:

Canada is simply anti-senseless conflict - but we do have a very well trained and respected special forces team & other military members known for punching above their weight class in combat. We just, in general, have no use for going around the world murdering people for the sake of generating bullet sales for arms makers.



You have yet to respond to the last human rights question I asked you. What about your own first nations people that you are still mistreating?

Canada detests Jews, they love Muslims. Canada has no problem extending kindness to people who show up begging, but if someone feels they are entitled to their portion anywhere, Canada hates them.


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Persephone29 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty, Israel hasn't. They have no leg to stand on. Yes I hate Israel. Anyone who loves child murdering state sponsoring terrorists is the one with the problem.



John, the Palestinians have been free to relocate since their land was reclaimed by the Jews. Not only do they choose not to leave, but are not above using their children as human shields. So, I would argue that the Palestinians hate their own children, or love the land more. I'm not sure which.

When you go about screaming, you appear unhinged.


reclaimed?

okay, where do you suppose all those palestinians are supposed to
go? how is their claim to the land any weaker?



Because they got their asses handed to them. Please tell me that in all your studies (you seem to be an educated individual) you haven't lost the concept of Victory.


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05 Jan 2020, 10:44 am

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The US support Al Qaeda.


That is a very strange statement. Source???

According to Wikipedia:

Al-Qaeda (/ælˈkaɪdə, ˌælkɑːˈiːdə/; Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-Qāʿidah, IPA: [ælqɑːʕɪdɐ], translation: "The Base", "The Foundation" or "The Database", alternatively spelled al-Qaida and al-Qa'ida) is a militant Sunni Islamist multi-national organization founded in 1988 by Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam, and several other Arab volunteers during the Soviet–Afghan War.

Al-Qaeda members believe in a conviction that a Christian–Jewish alliance is conspiring to destroy Islam. As Salafist jihadists, members of al-Qaeda believe that the killing of non-combatants is religiously sanctioned. This belief ignores the aspects of religious scripture which forbid the murder of non-combatants and internecine fighting. Al-Qaeda also opposes what it regards as man-made laws, and wants to replace them with a strict form of sharia law. Al-Qaeda's leaders regard liberal Muslims, Shias, Sufis and other sects as heretical and its members and sympathizers have attacked their mosques and gatherings.

Al-Qaeda has carried out a total of six major attacks, four of them in its jihad against America. In each case the leadership planned the attack years in advance, arranging for the shipment of weapons and explosives and using its businesses to provide operatives with safehouses and false identities. [One of the most critical was the 9/11 attack on New York and Washington D.C.]


The US intelligence agencies were helping Al Qaeda move around the country before 9/11. The US supported Al Qaeda to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. The US supported Al Qaeda in Syria and Libya. Who do you think those 'moderate rebels' driving around the country in tanks with assault rifles screaming "Alahu akbar!" In Tripoli going on to chop off heads and sodomize Gadaffi with a knife? WHO do you think those 'moderate rebels' in Syria were running around chopping off the head's of priests and eating the hearts of soldiers they killed? Get a grip and wake the hell up.


Before 9/11, I do not believe the U.S. really had an understanding of how dangerous Al Qaeda was.

In December 1998, the Director of the CIA Counterterrorism Center reported to President Bill Clinton that al-Qaeda was preparing to launch attacks in the United States, and that the group was training personnel to hijack aircraft. On September 11, 2001, al-Qaeda attacked the United States, hijacking four airliners within the country and deliberately crashing two into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. The third plane crashed into the western side of the Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia. The fourth plane was crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.[196] In total, the attackers killed 2,977 victims and injured more than 6,000 others.

On February 2, 2014, al-Qaeda distanced itself from ISIS and its actions in Syria, however during 2014–15, ISIS and the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front were still able to occasionally cooperate in their fight against the Syrian government. Al-Nusra (backed by Saudi Arabia and Turkey as part of the Army of Conquest during 2015–2017) launched many attacks and bombings, mostly against targets affiliated with or supportive of the Syrian government. From October 2015, Russian air strikes targeted positions held by al-Nusra Front, as well as other Islamist and non-Islamist rebels, while the US also targeted al-Nusra with airstrikes.] In early 2016, a leading ISIL ideologue described al-Qaeda as the "Jews of jihad".

So since this thread was focused on the killing of Qassim Soleimani, who some describe as an Iranian General. My initial question is why is an Iranian General in Bagdad in the first place. He was the mastermind of terror throughout the Middle East setting the entire region on fire. Was his next target the takeover of Iraq by the Iranians?

According to Wikipedia:

In March 2007, Soleimani was included on a list of Iranian individuals targeted with sanctions in United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747. On 18 May 2011, he was sanctioned again by the United States along with Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and other senior Syrian officials due to his alleged involvement in providing material support to the Syrian government.

On 24 June 2011, the Official Journal of the European Union said the three Iranian Revolutionary Guard members now subject to sanctions had been "providing equipment and support to help the Syrian government suppress protests in Syria". The Iranians added to the EU sanctions list were two Revolutionary Guard commanders, Soleimani, Mohammad Ali Jafari, and the Guard's deputy commander for intelligence, Hossein Taeb. Soleimani was also sanctioned by the Swiss government in September 2011 due to the same grounds cited by the European Union.

He was listed by the United States as a known terrorist, which forbade U.S. citizens from doing business with him. The list, published in the EU's Official Journal on 24 June 2011, also included a Syrian property firm, an investment fund and two other enterprises accused of funding the Syrian government. The list also included Mohammad Ali Jafari and Hossein Taeb.

On 13 November 2018, the United States sanctioned an Iraqi military leader named Shibl Muhsin ‘Ubayd Al-Zaydi and others who allegedly were acting on Qasem Soleimani's behalf in financing military actions in Syria or otherwise providing support for terrorism in the region.


LMFAO. Your intelligence agencies knew all about these Al Qaeda terrorists and were giving them support. Check your inbox as mods won't let me post truth here.

Yeah he supported Syria's fight against Al Qaeda and ISIS. That's why we killed him. And for Israel as it is their war in Syria.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... ssion=true

https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Who-are ... ist-606101


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05 Jan 2020, 10:49 am

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Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty, Israel hasn't. They have no leg to stand on. Yes I hate Israel. Anyone who loves child murdering state sponsoring terrorists is the one with the problem.



John, the Palestinians have been free to relocate since their land was reclaimed by the Jews. Not only do they choose not to leave, but are not above using their children as human shields. So, I would argue that the Palestinians hate their own children, or love the land more. I'm not sure which.

When you go about screaming, you appear unhinged.


Wow you've exposed yourself as a fascist. It was not 'reclaimed' it was stolen by force and continues to be stolen. Any evidence for any of your bulls**t?


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Pepe wrote:
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Pepe wrote:
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Israel has the most to lose if Iran has nuclear capabilities, a fat lot of good it will do Israel to have the US or the Saudis as allies if they are a heap of ash.


That is the concern.


Only if you are blinded by propaganda.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... ssion=true


Hasn't Iran vowed to eliminate Israel?

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A top Iranian general has said Iran will annihilate Israel, boasted that Iran could easily defeat Saudi Arabia, and threatened to overrun American military bases in the Middle East. https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-irani ... te-israel/


Israel is eliminating Palestine and attacks all their neighbours. Iran resists them.


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Persephone29 wrote:
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Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty, Israel hasn't. They have no leg to stand on. Yes I hate Israel. Anyone who loves child murdering state sponsoring terrorists is the one with the problem.



John, the Palestinians have been free to relocate since their land was reclaimed by the Jews. Not only do they choose not to leave, but are not above using their children as human shields. So, I would argue that the Palestinians hate their own children, or love the land more. I'm not sure which.

When you go about screaming, you appear unhinged.


reclaimed?

okay, where do you suppose all those palestinians are supposed to
go? how is their claim to the land any weaker?



Because they got their asses handed to them. Please tell me that in all your studies (you seem to be an educated individual) you haven't lost the concept of Victory.


Stealing land via war is what the Nazis did in WWII hence it became illegal under international law afterwards.


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Give it up, Powell. We all know you’re just blowing smoke.


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