Anti-Vaccination groups flouting social isolation

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02 Apr 2020, 9:54 pm

Anti-vaccination and ultra-right wing groups in Australia are posting youtube videos asking people to ignore social distancing rules.

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An anti-vaxxer who unsuccessfully ran for a seat in the 2019 Australian federal election has come out with a video downplaying the risk of coronavirus and encouraging Australians to ignore social distancing guidelines.
The video has been removed from YouTube for violating the site’s guidelines and has also been taken down from Facebook.
“You can’t catch a virus; it’s impossible,” said Tom Barnett, a one-time candidate with the Involuntary Medication Objectors Party, in a video posted to social media on March 30.
“The only way that you can catch a virus is by having it injected into your bloodstream.”
Mr Barnett recommended people stop social distancing and washing their hands. “Pull your finger out, get outside and do normal things,” he said in the video.
The footage exploded online and was viewed more than 186,000 times on YouTube before took it down.



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03 Apr 2020, 6:00 am

What does he thing a common cold is then if not a virus?? Yes, bacterial infections exist, but has he never had the flu?



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03 Apr 2020, 6:21 am

Why is flagrant conspiracy theorising of this nature not treated as a form of delusional psychosis?



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03 Apr 2020, 8:06 am

This morning I had to visit a vacant property to give a clinical opinion on its suitability for conversion to a care facility to ease the current stress on the local NHS.

The property developer told me that his opinion on the current situation was that it was all a hoax perpetrated by governments to promote the upscaling of 5G networks and working from home. When I asked him to describe evidence to support this theory he said he couldn't, it was just a feeling he had and it was not a theory but fact.

I told him that their was an international evidence base that the current situation was caused by a pandemic viral infection of significant numbers of people. He seemed angry that I would not agree at least in part with what he was saying.

I have been saying it all of my life but although I have read the text book on why people behave they way they do, I just dont understand most of my fellow human beings.


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03 Apr 2020, 8:10 am

I'm guessing that the Darwin Effect will soon afflict the Anti-Vaxxers and other conspiracy theorists.

There are some people in this world who are more concerned with being believed than with telling the truth.  These are usually the same people who believe that belief itself is sufficient proof for that belief, and that feelings are just as valid as facts.  Again, I suspect that the Darwin Effect will soon afflict such people.


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03 Apr 2020, 8:12 am

I think that you are right.


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03 Apr 2020, 8:21 am

Last night one of my wife’s friends knocked on the door (he wanted her to check his payslips to make sure he’s not being diddled), whilst he was stood there one of his remarks was:

”Lots of people aren’t having their kids vaccinated against polio because of health concerns.”

I had to walk off quickly and do a little dance out of sight to calm myself... I can theorise all I want about humans in general: but when confronted with the arrogant nonsense of it in person... self-control eludes me. :(

I just hope they don’t allow vaccine evading strains of TB, Polio etc to mutate in their systems... because unless I’m totally wrong about how these things function that’s the risk their taking with everyone else’s lives.



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03 Apr 2020, 8:23 am

Karamazov wrote:
Why is flagrant conspiracy theorising of this nature not treated as a form of delusional psychosis?
Likely because anyone who believes that a Palestinian Jewish teacher who was framed and executed for sedition against the occupying government will come back soon and take all his followers to a new land flowing with milk and honey will all be rounded up and committed to mental institutions instead.


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03 Apr 2020, 8:33 am

It's stupid to think it is a "hoax". It is obviously a false flag. Does anyone really believe that Illuminati members like Prince Charles, Prince Albert and Tom Hanks really have some mysterious virus? The symptoms people are getting are the result of mass hypochondria induced by the media. This kind of stuff is really easy to make up.



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03 Apr 2020, 8:37 am

Fnord wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Why is flagrant conspiracy theorising of this nature not treated as a form of delusional psychosis?
Likely because anyone who believes that a Palestinian Jewish teacher who was framed and executed for sedition against the occupying government will come back soon and take all his followers to a new land flowing with milk and honey will all be rounded up and committed to mental institutions instead.

That’s not really a conspiracy theory though is it?
Don’t personally believe it, but that doesn’t make it one...
Oh.
Humans.
They don’t necessarily think like that do they? :roll:



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03 Apr 2020, 8:39 am

Religion: Humanity's feeble attempt to bridge the gap between faith and reason.  Thus the association between religion and conspiracy theories.  If you could reason with religious people (and conspiracy theorists), there would be no religious people (or conspiracy theorists).


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03 Apr 2020, 8:41 am

That's an outstanding ignorance. I know someone IRL who share part of it and also don't think viruses can be contagious, only bacteria. (No idea if they're an anti-vaxxer, the topic has never come up.)
I have no idea how they even come up with such nonsense.

Good thing that YouTube is being responsible and removes such stuff, like Twitter has done as well. It's not just dumb and crazy and incorrect, it's also dangerous if it catches on.

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Why is flagrant conspiracy theorising of this nature not treated as a form of delusional psychosis?
I have no idea, my honest opinion is that these things should be.
Of course, I think the same about all beliefs, conspiracy or not.


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03 Apr 2020, 8:57 am

Fnord wrote:
Religion: Humanity's feeble attempt to bridge the gap between faith and reason.  Thus the association between religion and conspiracy theories.  If you could reason with religious people (and conspiracy theorists), there would be no religious people (or conspiracy theorists).


Hmmm... come to think of it I can think of at least two religions within which the more eccentric outer fringes have a worrying degree of overt conspiracy theory type thinking... so there’s no real clear line between the two, just an inconsistent blur: a situation wide open to abuse if legislation or medicalisation were to be involved.



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03 Apr 2020, 11:07 am

Crowded Hasidic funeral goes on in Brooklyn despite social distancing rules

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Throngs of Hasidic Jews gathered in Brooklyn Wednesday for a local rabbi’s funeral, brazenly flouting social distancing orders amid the coronavirus pandemic pummeling the city, online video shows.

In the 30-second clip, which has been circulating online, dozens of members of the Jewish community — some wearing protective facial masks — can be been seen marching in an outdoor procession down Avenue N near East 9th Street in Midwood as a close cluster of men carry a casket above their heads in the middle of the street.

Members of the civilian nonprofit Brooklyn patrol group Shmira can be seen guiding the heavily populated procession, the footage shows.

Shmira did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The funeral gathering was an open violation of the social distancing orders by state and city officials who have repeatedly demanded that folks maintain at least a 6-foot distance while in public as a way to stem the spread of the potentially deadly virus.

“There’s no excuse for violating social distancing, not even for a funeral, given the current state of affairs,” political consultant Menashe Shapiro, who has ties to the Orthodox Jewish community, told The Post on Thursday. “A lot of people have said, and I agree, that funerals have to be done at a bare minimum — people have to be buried, period.”

Shapiro added, “Despite the fact that escorting someone to their final resting place is considered the ultimate kindness, what took place yesterday in that video is utterly despicable under current circumstances since it’s self-defeating and risks many more funerals.”

The funeral was held for 96-year-old Yosef Leifer, the rabbi of the nearby Congregation Karnei Reim on Avenue N, according to a man who answered the phone at the synagogue Thursday.

“People were in such a panic that the rebbe died, they weren’t thinking about corona[virus],” the man, who would not identify himself, told The Post. “They forgot about corona[virus]. They just wanted to be close to the rebbe.”

Leifer, a Holocaust survivor and rabbi of the Ukrainian Hasidic dynasty known as Nadvorna, died on Tuesday.

An NYPD spokesperson said that “no notifications” were made to the area’s 66th Precinct in connection with the funeral and that police only became aware of it from a 311 call.

Authorities responded to the scene, but “by that time it was over and the remainder of the crowd was dispersed. No arrests or summonses were issued,” the spokesperson said.

Mayor Bill de Blasio said this week that New Yorkers can face a fine of up to $500 for refusing to practice social distancing.

“Our officers will go back [to the synagogue] to further educate in social distancing and make aware of the current rules in advance of any future incident that might warrant an enforcement action,” a police spokesperson said.

Last month, members of New York City’s Hasidic and Orthodox Jewish community openly defied social distancing orders by hosting raucous Brooklyn weddings with hundreds of guests amid the growing spread of the bug.

“The community’s lack of education and basic knowledge has manifested in recent weeks over this crisis,” Shapiro said.

But Rabbi Bernard Freilich, a community leader in Borough Park, said the community is largely complying with official orders.

“Every major synagogue is closed, and is going to stay closed during Passover, which is unprecedented,” he said. “Not only that, but we (community leaders) are constantly conferencing with the NYPD and with City Hall to make sure nobody gets out out lin


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03 Apr 2020, 4:28 pm

EzraS wrote:
It's stupid to think it is a "hoax". It is obviously a false flag. Does anyone really believe that Illuminati members like Prince Charles, Prince Albert and Tom Hanks really have some mysterious virus? The symptoms people are getting are the result of mass hypochondria induced by the media. This kind of stuff is really easy to make up.

Including the dead. Sure.



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03 Apr 2020, 8:22 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
That's an outstanding ignorance. I know someone IRL who share part of it and also don't think viruses can be contagious, only bacteria. (No idea if they're an anti-vaxxer, the topic has never come up.)
I have no idea how they even come up with such nonsense..


It fits in with anti-vaccination philosophy. Most preventative measures against viruses involve vaccines, therefore if you believe illness is caused by bacteria (and not viruses) then it negates the need for vaccines. So not surprising they are taunting the authorities. While you don't have to be a ultra-right political beliefs to be anti-vax, most ultra-right wingers tend to be anti-vaccination because they naturally don't trust the government.