This pandemic will lead to social revolutions

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13 Apr 2020, 4:22 pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/a ... ssion=true

I think it will and hope it does. 8)


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13 Apr 2020, 4:25 pm

Hmm maybe? :chin:



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13 Apr 2020, 5:02 pm



The anarchist in me wants to see it all burn, the optimistic Utopian in me hopes humanity can achieve a more sustainable and equal way of survival. Who am I kidding, humans are rather egocentric and destructive, so all the tyrannical sociopaths of the world will continue to make the rest of us suffer. :twisted:


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13 Apr 2020, 5:53 pm

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The anarchist in me wants to see it all burn, the optimistic Utopian in me hopes humanity can achieve a more sustainable and equal way of survival.  Who am I kidding, humans are rather egocentric and destructive, so all the tyrannical sociopaths of the world will continue to make the rest of us suffer.
"When all reason fails, bet on the status quo." -- My economics professor.


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13 Apr 2020, 6:33 pm

Not of the good kind .. In Pakistan at least.. My brother sent us an article about these uneducated clerics 'warning' the government not to close moswues anymore
With a strong implication about clashes otherwise

Eslxcuse me why not tell your flock to turn their own homes into places of worship instead of turning on the govt who btw is led vy a very religious man you supposedly voted for?

They also talk about Lal Masjid where some of these......------- (i feel bad for them being so uneducated but i feel Angry too.. So i dont know the correct word to use)....
Had when my uncle was in power tried to hoard weapomry etc in the mosque and lots of other stuff that led to the military having to be called in because they were uneducated with no discernment they assumed govt siding with USA and evacuating a province and allowing USA to bomb it as well as the countrya soldiers there, as to ve "unislamic' n sympathizibg with Taliban as the underdogs etc NO nuance no intelligence and the military had to gun some od thrm down as they tried to attack n were holding women n children inside..

So not a good revolution at all unless someone can talk some sense into them which I doubt after a lifetime of them being stupid


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13 Apr 2020, 6:40 pm

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... Excuse me; why not tell your flock to turn their own homes into places of worship instead of turning on the government who, by the way, is led by a very religious man you supposedly voted for?
Many here in the USA have already done this, although we (my family) meets at least once a week over a video-conference link with our religious leaders.  We study our Scriptures, listen to short lectures, and engage in open discussions.  It is all enjoyable, and sometimes I learn something new.


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13 Apr 2020, 6:42 pm

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... Excuse me; why not tell your flock to turn their own homes into places of worship instead of turning on the government who, by the way, is led by a very religious man you supposedly voted for?
Many here in the USA have already done this, although we (my family) meets at least once a week over a video-conference link with our religious leaders.  We study our Scriptures, listen to short lectures, and engage in open discussions.  It is all enjoyable, and sometimes I learn something new.

Yeah Thats what the non stupid people there are doing too. However I know those ppl.. The naysayers... are mainly uneducated and poor with no hope to afford anything includin internet so I know that wouldnt work for them


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13 Apr 2020, 6:42 pm

But they still know how to pray and that needs no internet connection!!


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13 Apr 2020, 6:47 pm

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... Excuse me; why not tell your flock to turn their own homes into places of worship instead of turning on the government who, by the way, is led by a very religious man you supposedly voted for?
Many here in the USA have already done this, although we (my family) meets at least once a week over a video-conference link with our religious leaders. We study our Scriptures, listen to short lectures, and engage in open discussions. It is all enjoyable, and sometimes I learn something new.
Yeah. That's what the non-stupid people there are doing too. However, I know those ppl.. The naysayers... are mainly uneducated and poor with no hope to afford anything including internet so I know that wouldn't work for them
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But they still know how to pray and that needs no internet connection!!
Exactly. Our home-study groups used to have as many as 30 members! We would meet at each others' homes, bring food, and share a meal afterward. No Internet involved. We were all literate and each had his or her own copy of our Scriptures to read from.

Then came the Virus, and nothing was ever the same again.


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13 Apr 2020, 6:56 pm

My uncle (not the aforementioned, another who is a scientist) holds those at his home every friday and EVERY night during Ramadan.
He is smart though (nuclear physicist) so he knows not to do it now.


I think a lot of this furor has to do with missing the social part of it and no genuine reason besides tbat...esp for the uneducated elders who cannot imagine the concept of a virus
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If all you do is work and are poor and have a tough life and this was your one time to look forward to and now its gone. I get it... I do .. But these ---- (dont know how to refer to them without being mean) should look at Saudi who closed Makkah n Madinah except fr the workers and cleaners who were already there and live there.

You go from these ginormous places of worship where your religion was established.. you KNOW they are empty for this reason.

So how can you have any basis for attacking your govt for doing the same and trying to protect you??
Lal masjid is evil in stupidity... I can never forget them and to see that they are again threatening... How dare they? After what happened before?


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13 Apr 2020, 7:06 pm

Forgive me, what happened before?  Our commercial media services seem to filter out certain types of events while emphasizing others.


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13 Apr 2020, 7:09 pm

I've derailed the thread enough but it was mentioned in my first post here..they were stupid and became dangerous and then blamed the military and (blamed the president moreso) prime minister for the inevitable


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13 Apr 2020, 7:15 pm

Google Lal Masjid and Musharraff. The sad thing is my uncle(the other one mentioned the scientist one) actually sympathized a tad as he thought the military thing was unnecessary and wrong.

Im sorry but if you hold workers hostage have Weapons make threats sympsthize with Taliban etc there is no way that will end any other way.
The military were and are the heroes in my opinion. It is a sad decision but those peoplemade it ao it could end no other way..


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13 Apr 2020, 7:35 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
Google Lal Masjid and Musharraff. The sad thing is my uncle(the other one mentioned the scientist one) actually sympathized a tad as he thought the military thing was unnecessary and wrong. I'm sorry but if you hold workers hostage have Weapons make threats sympathize with Taliban etc there is no way that will end any other way. The military were and are the heroes in my opinion. It is a sad decision but those people made it so it could end no other way.
I see what you mean...
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The Siege of Lal Masjid was a confrontation in July 2007 between Islamic fundamentalists and the Government of Pakistan, led by President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz.  The focal points of the operation were the Lal Masjid ("Red Mosque") and the Jamia Hafsa madrasah complex in Islamabad, Pakistan.

Since January 2006, Lal Masjid and the adjacent Jamia Hafsa madrasah had been operated by Islamic militants led by two brothers, Abdul Aziz and Abdul Rashid.  This organisation advocated the imposition of Sharia (Islamic religious law) in Pakistan and openly called for the overthrow of the Pakistani government.  Lal Masjid was in constant conflict with authorities in Islamabad for 18 months prior to the military operation.  They engaged in violent demonstrations, destruction of property, kidnapping, arson, and armed clashes with the authorities.  A combination of events such as militants taking hostage the Chinese health care center's female workers and militants setting fire to the Ministry of Environment building and attacking the Army Rangers who guarded it, the military responded, and the siege of the Lal Masjid complex began.  Military response was to address not just pressure from locals but also diplomatic pressure from China.

The complex was besieged from 3 to 11 July 2007, while negotiations were attempted between the militants and the state's Shujaat Hussain and Ijaz-ul-Haq.  Once negotiations failed, the complex was stormed and captured by the Pakistan Army's Special Service Group.  The government reported that the operation resulted in 154 deaths, and 50 militants were captured (other estimates were higher).  It also prompted pro-Taliban rebels along the Afghan border to nullify a 10-month-old peace agreement with the Pakistani Government.  This event triggered the Third Waziristan War, which marked another surge in militancy and violence in Pakistan and has resulted in more than 3,000 casualties.
I have no sympathy for the Taliban or ISIL.  In my opinion, Sharia Law is not necessary for good order.  There should be no need to ever oppress the people in the name of religion -- any religion.  Unfortunately, I fear that governments like yours and mine may fall under the influence of severe and tyrannical forms of our respective religions, and only the people will suffer, especially the intellectuals, and not the leadership.  Sad.


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