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21 Apr 2020, 8:00 pm

After the deadliest shooting we’ve ever had just happened yesterday.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trudeau- ... 86d07e92b8

And Canadians’ collective response is likely “Wait, They weren’t banned already?” And then maybe about 3 guys across the country are going to complain about it, everyone else will tell them to shut up, the law will pass and Canadians will be happy about it. :)

Criminals will still smuggle these weapons from the USA for some time, but I bet with a ban the consequences for being caught with one will increase to a level that even drug gangs might opt not to bother with them so they don’t do too much time for it. That’s my hope, anyways.


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21 Apr 2020, 8:27 pm

Good.



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21 Apr 2020, 8:28 pm

It sure took you long enough!



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21 Apr 2020, 10:37 pm

Does it really matter what the gun looks like? We're already limited to five round magazines.


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21 Apr 2020, 10:51 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Does it really matter what the gun looks like? We're already limited to five round magazines.


It does when the guns of choice of mass shooters are assault weapons because they’re complete losers who want to look “cool,” and intimidating during their suicide mission. So, f**k them, remove any glory they try to seek via image.

And also remove as many of these rapid fire murder machines from the civilian market as possible. There is no deer or moose being hunted that needs a dozen rounds pumped into it in 3 seconds flat.


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21 Apr 2020, 10:54 pm

mebbe they should outlaw all weapons that aren't pink or barney purple? ;) mebbe make all the legal guns up in a hello kitty style? would cartoon-style weapons make some ashamed to handle them? also, does canada tax ammo? please forgive my brain droppings. :oops:



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21 Apr 2020, 11:00 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Does it really matter what the gun looks like? We're already limited to five round magazines.


It does when the guns of choice of mass shooters are assault weapons because they’re complete losers who want to look “cool,” and intimidating during their suicide mission. So, f**k them, remove any glory they try to seek via image.

And also remove as many of these rapid fire murder machines from the civilian market as possible. There is no deer or moose being hunted that needs a dozen rounds pumped into it in 3 seconds flat.


For someone who believes a bloody rampage will restore their man-card, I don't believe the appearance of the weapon is a significant factor. Let's face it, for those who conflate violence with masculinity, it's the bloodshed the weapon causes that matters, not how the stock looks.


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21 Apr 2020, 11:03 pm

"peace and order" needs to better live up to the goal of itself. at least in the commonwealth nations, pols can actually address problems in a way that would never fly south of the border.



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21 Apr 2020, 11:06 pm

auntblabby wrote:
"peace and order" needs to better live up to the goal of itself. at least in the commonwealth nations, pols can actually address problems in a way that would never fly south of the border.


I certainly won't argue that. The 2nd Amendment is like a congenial defect within America's genetic code, at least the way portions of society down there interprets it. Yet, when I ask if they'll support the right to own ICBMs they say that's crazy - effectively admitting they agree with the concept of limitations existing and that we're just arguing over where to draw the line.


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21 Apr 2020, 11:09 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Does it really matter what the gun looks like? We're already limited to five round magazines.


It does when the guns of choice of mass shooters are assault weapons because they’re complete losers who want to look “cool,” and intimidating during their suicide mission. So, f**k them, remove any glory they try to seek via image.

And also remove as many of these rapid fire murder machines from the civilian market as possible. There is no deer or moose being hunted that needs a dozen rounds pumped into it in 3 seconds flat.


For someone who believes a bloody rampage will restore their man-card, I don't believe the appearance of the weapon is a significant factor. Let's face it, for those who conflate violence with masculinity, it's the bloodshed the weapon causes that matters, not how the stock looks.


So then it shouldn’t matter to you one iota if guns that look & function like these are removed from public availability.


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21 Apr 2020, 11:15 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
"peace and order" needs to better live up to the goal of itself. at least in the commonwealth nations, pols can actually address problems in a way that would never fly south of the border.


I certainly won't argue that. The 2nd Amendment is like a congenital defect within America's genetic code, at least the way portions of society down there interprets it. Yet, when I ask if they'll support the right to own ICBMs they say that's crazy - effectively admitting they agree with the concept of limitations existing and that we're just arguing over where to draw the line.

did you know that in about 35 states [last i checked], machine guns and/or silencers are permitted [after paying a $600 "transfer tax" on either one]? fyi a "machine gun" is fully automatic, multiple rounds firing with a single sustained squeeze of the trigger. in the states where machine guns were not permitted, "bump stocks" and such enabled a quasi-automatic mode of rapid fire. the las vegas massacre was one where the perp used a bump stock.



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21 Apr 2020, 11:17 pm

are bump stocks and other such cheats allowed in canada?



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21 Apr 2020, 11:34 pm

auntblabby wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
"peace and order" needs to better live up to the goal of itself. at least in the commonwealth nations, pols can actually address problems in a way that would never fly south of the border.


I certainly won't argue that. The 2nd Amendment is like a congenital defect within America's genetic code, at least the way portions of society down there interprets it. Yet, when I ask if they'll support the right to own ICBMs they say that's crazy - effectively admitting they agree with the concept of limitations existing and that we're just arguing over where to draw the line.

did you know that in about 35 states [last i checked], machine guns and/or silencers are permitted [after paying a $600 "transfer tax" on either one]? fyi a "machine gun" is fully automatic, multiple rounds firing with a single sustained squeeze of the trigger. in the states where machine guns were not permitted, "bump stocks" and such enabled a quasi-automatic mode of rapid fire. the las vegas massacre was one where the perp used a bump stock.


Has a machine gun (or a fully automatic rifle) with a tax stamp ever been used in a mass shooting in the US? Personally I don't have any issue with how the US chose to handle that issue because they're really not a problem. Same with >.50 cal rifles, they're not likely to be used in the commission of a crime because they're expensive and unwieldy.

Personally I don't feel Canada's gun laws need strengthened. I'd be happy to change the limit on magazine capacity to 10.

By the standards of guano insane gun-nuts, I'm a gun grabber.
By the standards of sane people I'm closer to a gun nut than a gun grabber. It's just because most of these conversations have been regarding the context of the US that I might sound aggressively in support of gun control. I believe the US is overly lax in some regards, I also believe Canada's current laws are more strict than they need to be.


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21 Apr 2020, 11:36 pm

auntblabby wrote:
are bump stocks and other such cheats allowed in canada?


Not certain, I wouldn't need one. I know in the US some areas allowed them with medical exemptions, which could be the case here too.


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21 Apr 2020, 11:38 pm

auntblabby wrote:
are bump stocks and other such cheats allowed in canada?


Lol afaik f**k all like that is allowed in Canada.

Just googled to confirm - noooope. We have much more common sense gun control laws in Canada already.

And it’s not like people don’t own any guns. There are lots of hunting guns, especially away from the handful of major cities. We just don’t have this crazed gun culture like they’re some sort of penis extender or something.

I know some people who own guns. Some for target shooting at ranges, others for hunting. And I’ve seen some before that were most definitely for criminal activity lol but we just don’t have 101 guns per 100 people like the USA.

Hell, I know someone who’s a firearms instructor that teaches law enforcement how to shoot and he doesn’t even own a gun. His service weapon gets locked up in a locker at work. He Would own one or more just for target shooting practice but his fiancées first husband died by suicide by gun and she’s petrified of them and does not want one in their home so, whatever, no biggie - he just uses his work gun at work and that’s that.


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21 Apr 2020, 11:51 pm

You use the term C-19 to refer to COVID-19. I googled that at one point as I’ve never seen that use elsewhere. For what it’s worth, googles first return on C-19 is a rifle used by the Canadian military. Pretty boring looking one ..... Other return on C-19 was the Canadian bill to remove the long gun registry!