Trump won't change names of bases named for Confederates

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10 Jun 2020, 8:04 pm

Trump says his administration 'will not even consider' renaming military bases named for Confederates

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President Trump on Wednesday came out strongly against the idea of renaming U.S. military bases that are named after Confederate generals -- an issue that has come to the forefront amid the nationwide protests over police brutality and racial injustice.

In a series of tweets on Wednesday afternoon, Trump called the bases named after Confederate soldiers “Hallowed Grounds” that helped train soldiers to win two world wars. He said his administration “will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations.”

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany also began her briefing with the press Wednesday by reading the president's statement on the topic.

“These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, and a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” Trump tweeted. “Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations. Our history as the Greatest Nation in the World will not be tampered with. Respect our Military!”

The president’s insistence that the names of the military bases remain unchanged comes just two days after U.S. Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy said he is open to the idea.

A senior Army official told Fox News on Monday that McCarthy did not plan to change the names unilaterally, but instead will seek bipartisan support to do so. U.S. Army installations named after Confederate generals include Fort Benning in Georgia and Fort Bragg in North Carolina.

IMHO Trump trying to trigger people because he enjoys it.
Despite all of the pulling down of Confederate statues and renaming things named formally for Confederates, despite many private entities banning Confederate flags and memorabilia, the military bases named for Confederates have gotten relatively less attention. That is going to change big time.

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10 Jun 2020, 9:35 pm

trump is doubling and tripling down on racism in hopes that he’s right about the so called “silent majority,” of Americans being racist white people who will re-elect him based on that single issue.

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10 Jun 2020, 10:02 pm

I'm not sure where I stand, in regard to changing/deleting history.
Sound rather "Orwellian" to me to do so.

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10 Jun 2020, 10:04 pm

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Trump says his administration 'will not even consider' renaming military bases named for Confederates

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Is it true that a lot of the south are Republicans?

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10 Jun 2020, 10:26 pm

My understanding is that these bases are named for famous generals in tems of their military actions\careers and not on their "non-military" life.

By renaming them due to the current fashion of looking at specific aspects of that person's history, unrelated to the reason the locations were named for these people (and which was not illegal at the time in the location where these people lived), would be setting a precedent that once "famous"\visionary people suddenly have aspects of their lives judged against different standards to the society in which they lived.

I doubt there is anyone in history (or in the future) who could pass this sort of scrutiny when measured against the societal standards of a different time. Setting a precedent such as this would also mean that those wishing the change would also see no issue with areas\locations named after "Martin Luther King" or "Malcolm X" being renamed, should society one day revert to standards similar to those of their time (or find some "disturbing" character flaw incompatible with the future expectations), for example?

Just because someone in power who you personaly dislike does something you don't agree with, doesn't mean that it was for personal reasons...In many times it can be to avoid setting a precedent which could have unforeseen consequences in the future (for example, the bar for "impeachment" was lowered considerably in the past couple of years, which will affect all future presidents, regardless of party, should they have a hostile house).

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10 Jun 2020, 10:35 pm

Brictoria wrote:

Discounting the Pavlovian "Orange man bad" responces whenever a decision by Mr Trump is discussed...

Yes,
This is very tiresome.

BTW,
I wonder if they are going to tip the statue of that war criminal, "Bomber Harris", into the English Thames river, also? :chin:

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10 Jun 2020, 10:59 pm

Renaming some dreary military bases amounts to changing history? I thought by Republican standards that amounted to irrelevant bureaucracy. I mean why do you really even care? Historical figures turning out to have been awful people by modern standards is not new, nor is it rewriting history to correct the records.

Seeing name of a cinderblock complex of barbed wire & land mines as more important than the names of basically anyone of a certain color you might name it after is rather telling about certain posters. You're not advocating smaller government at all, only an oppressive one.

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11 Jun 2020, 12:34 am

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Why aren’t we doing. Same for every last founding father? Hey all owned and supported slaves. They all saw blacks as not equal.
He’ll even Lincoln didn’t see blacks as equals. So Lincoln was racist. So when are we tearing down the Lincoln monument and taking him off the penny?
I think you’ll find very few people from that time period thought black people were equal or even same species as white people, definitely not for giving them rights to vote and such.

By today’s standards they’re monsters but back then they were heroes.

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11 Jun 2020, 12:36 am

I wasn't writing in black & white terminology & you're really scraping the bottom there in debate terms.

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11 Jun 2020, 12:40 am

Brictoria wrote:

My understanding is that these bases are named for famous generals in tems of their military actions\careers and not on their "non-military" life.

their "military actions"...in which they attacked the country, killed its men, that then decided to name a base after them...?

why are literal traitors being honored, again?

i see pictures of trucks flying both the american flag and the confederate flag. that is near peak doublethink

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11 Jun 2020, 2:36 am

cberg wrote:

I wasn't writing in black & white terminology & you're really scraping the bottom there in debate terms.

What? Aren’t racist people horrible people?
Lincoln was racist by today’s standards. Really hard to judge people in the past by today’s standards as everyone was horrible by today standards.
If Lincoln was alive today wirh his same ideals he’d be called racist.
I just think if we are going to apply today’s standards on people from the past it should be universal. We’d have to tear down most our monuments and rename a whole state on top of streets.

So when it comes to confederates, if the people who actually fought them can forgive them i dont know why we can’t. Like it or not that’s southern history and the ideal was to heal the wounds and make us all Americans, which meant pardoning all of them. And seeing them as Americans nit confederates. That’s why we buried them.
Confederate officers and soldiers would go on to serve in the USA army after the war.
They wouldn’t been able to if seen as traitors. They would have all had to been excited for treason. It was legal for states to leave before the war. After it was made illegal.

Why is it only now an issue? I do think if we continue this way in another few years they be demanding we strip Washington of all his streets and statues.
Just keep moving the goal post.

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11 Jun 2020, 2:42 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

My understanding is that these bases are named for famous generals in tems of their military actions\careers and not on their "non-military" life.

As I said above the USA gov didn’t and doesn’t consider them traitors.
If the people they fought could forgive them why can’t you hundred years later ?
Our military honors all kinds of military leaders even from former enemies.

Honestly I think it just shows our boredom of species thst we have to drag our long dead and buried hatred. Where’s the hatred of the Japanese generals?

We’re all traitors to the English empire.

I could care less that stuffs named after long dead horrible by today’s standards people.
I choose to keep using aspergers despite it being naked after a nazi.
He’s dead. Who cares.
Mean do you think Alexander the Great was actually a good person?
Was Patton? He’ll no he was horrible. Should we rename anything named after him?
Was he a good military leader who’s tactics are taught today? Yes. Same with the confederate generals, German generals, British revolutionary generals. Japanese generals.

All of history is filled of horrible people by today’s standards, non of them are clean.
Today it’s confederate generals, tomorrow it’s the founding fathers, then it’s Patton and other ww2 generals.
So who would we rename it after? Who’s got a clean record?
Most people including me don’t even know who the forts were named after until sjw had to draw attention to it.
If anything it’s just giving unnecessary attention to them and making them up forgotten.

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11 Jun 2020, 2:49 am

sly279 wrote:

Kiprobalhato wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

My understanding is that these bases are named for famous generals in tems of their military actions\careers and not on their "non-military" life.

As I said above the USA gov didn’t and doesn’t consider them traitors.

I very much doubt they qualify as "Traitors",
Though I can't be bothered doing proper research.

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11 Jun 2020, 3:14 am

cberg wrote:

Sly is too sentimental about what amounts to Rome to see reason here.

I’m a lover of history.

Romans keep slaves of all races by the way. They also committed genocide. Yet they are well beloved the world over. We don’t tear down their statues or rename the streets bearing roman rulers names.

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11 Jun 2020, 3:19 am

sly279 wrote:

cberg wrote:

Sly is too sentimental about what amounts to Rome to see reason here.

You don’t make any sense.

I’m a lover of history while you seem more interested in destroying history and dragging out old long put down rifts.

Romans keep slaves of all races by the way. They also committed genocide. Yet they are well beloved the world over. We don’t tear down their statues or rename the streets bearing roman rulers names.

We also don't by & large have any streets like that. You have a lot to learn about respect for the rest of your country.

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11 Jun 2020, 3:21 am

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cberg wrote:

Sly is too sentimental about what amounts to Rome to see reason here.

Yup,
The Romans were a bloodthirsty mob.
Kill 5,000 "barbarians" and you get a monument.

I guess the time factor comes into consideration, when it comes to the western "Taliban" anarchists. :shrug:

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