2 hair stylists COVID-positive, but because both wore masks—

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02 Jul 2020, 2:57 pm

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Two hair stylists with the coronavirus wore masks. So did their 140 clients. Of those tested, none got sick

June 22, 2020

https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/2 ... -sick.html

‘ . . only 46 agreed to be tested. Dreher called the incident “a good outcome, not a perfect outcome,” because not everyone in the pool of 140 people were tested. . ’

So, only only about 1/3 agreed to get tested. But still, zero out of 46 getting Coronavirus is damn good.

As I understand . . .

My mask protects you. Your mask protects me.



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02 Jul 2020, 3:09 pm


Person talking first without (three volume levels) and then with a mask.

Green laser light shows any droplets emitted. There might be a few emitted with the mask, but nothing compared to without.

PS Remember the expression, “Say it. Don’t spray it.” :D



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02 Jul 2020, 5:50 pm

I feel wearing a mask is futile if other people aren't wearing masks. In the UK it's not (yet) a compulsory rule that everyone has to wear a mask in public. So if you choose to, you are not protected if others choose not to. Most people don't wear masks in stores where I come from.

Yes, wearing masks is supposed to be compulsory on public transport, but there are so many exceptions that it seems like more people are allowed to not wear one than those that have to. Children under 11, disabled people, those with lung problems, and alcoholics and drug-addicts are excused from the obligation of wearing a mask on public transportation. So what good is anyone wearing a mask at all? Masks will only work if EVERYONE wears one with no exceptions, in enclosed spaces like public transport.


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03 Jul 2020, 9:17 am

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I feel wearing a mask is futile if other people aren't wearing masks. In the UK it's not (yet) a compulsory rule that everyone has to wear a mask in public. . .

All I can say, I guess is to ride the periods of optimism and pessimism.

I tell myself that if I get a lower dose, that will help, too. Don’t know if that’s strictly true.

Yes, at times wearing a mask feels like a gesture and/or a political statement.



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03 Jul 2020, 4:11 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I feel wearing a mask is futile if other people aren't wearing masks. In the UK it's not (yet) a compulsory rule that everyone has to wear a mask in public. So if you choose to, you are not protected if others choose not to. Most people don't wear masks in stores where I come from.

Yes, wearing masks is supposed to be compulsory on public transport, but there are so many exceptions that it seems like more people are allowed to not wear one than those that have to. Children under 11, disabled people, those with lung problems, and alcoholics and drug-addicts are excused from the obligation of wearing a mask on public transportation. So what good is anyone wearing a mask at all? Masks will only work if EVERYONE wears one with no exceptions, in enclosed spaces like public transport.


Wrong way to think.

Even if others aren’t wearing masks, if you do, you Know that You are not likely to spread it to anyone else if you have it. Justifying not respecting others health because some other people aren’t doing so is absurd IMO.

Also, it’s not all or nothing. Stats have been published in MSM news articles quoting something like if 70% of people wear masks, the transmission of the virus is significantly reduced. So, it doesn’t take 100% of people respectfully wearing masks to make a HUGE impact - just a majority of people. If a minority cannot (almost no one) or will not (bunch of jerks) wear a mask, there is still a massive public health benefit to slowing the spread of the virus by the people who do mask up and do their part.

Some places I go I’m in a very small minority of people wearing masks and I don’t care - I would way rather do my part and take personal responsibility and lead by example than join the masses of idiots who don’t think it’s necessary to wear masks just because we haven’t been hit hard here. (177 dead out of a population of 5 Million) But still: We’ve been asked to wear masks in public to keep cases and deaths low - they haven’t made it law yet, because they’re worried about the few who cannot wear a mask, like super old or very disabled people who cannot manage to put one on. IMO make it law and then exempt those few % of people based on common sense if it’s actually physically impossible for them to wear one.

Anyways, looked up an article, this says 80-90% mask wearing has a significant impact whereas down as low as 30-40% has almost none. So, it’s important that everyone does their part and almost everyone masks up.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05 ... study-says


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03 Jul 2020, 4:16 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I feel wearing a mask is futile if other people aren't wearing masks. In the UK it's not (yet) a compulsory rule that everyone has to wear a mask in public. . .

All I can say, I guess is to ride the periods of optimism and pessimism.

I tell myself that if I get a lower dose, that will help, too. Don’t know if that’s strictly true.

Yes, at times wearing a mask feels like a gesture and/or a political statement.



YES! This is also true. I’ve read/heard it more than once. The lower the initial viral load, the better chances you have a mild case And that your immune system doesn’t overreact & cause very severe symptoms.

So, even if people are wearing very basic single layer cloth masks if it’s trapping quite a bit of their breath and then yours is filtering at least some of the air you breathe in, you’d inhale a much lower “dose,” of virus cells and won’t have nearly the same potential to become seriously ill as if someone coughed in your face and out inhaled deeply.


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04 Jul 2020, 9:25 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Wrong way to think.

Even if others aren’t wearing masks, if you do, you Know that You are not likely to spread it to anyone else if you have it. Justifying not respecting others health because some other people aren’t doing so is absurd IMO.
I stand with Joe and think I see where she’s coming from. For example, I get tired of being such a good egg, when other people are so sloppy and careless and seemingly just don’t care.

And with the gaps at the side and the bridge of the nose, I wonder how much my own mask really helps me.

And then . . . I’ve got to be ready for the looks. Or the rare event someone says something, I feel might need something brief, calm, non-confrontational to say. And all this takes energy, and I may not always have this energy.

As you yourself says, the mask-wearing needs to be a chunk above 40% to really do any good at all.



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04 Jul 2020, 9:39 am

I was in a Tesco the other day and this woman at the checkout kept pinching and wiping the bottom (bogey) part of her nose with her fingers. A lot of people are disgusting. Nobody has changed their habits.

There's also that gross habit here of coughing without covering the mouth to look forward to in autumn/winter.


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04 Jul 2020, 12:06 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Wrong way to think.

Even if others aren’t wearing masks, if you do, you Know that You are not likely to spread it to anyone else if you have it. Justifying not respecting others health because some other people aren’t doing so is absurd IMO.
I stand with Joe and think I see where she’s coming from. For example, I get tired of being such a good egg, when other people are so sloppy and careless and seemingly just don’t care.

And with the gaps at the side and the bridge of the nose, I wonder how much my own mask really helps me.

And then . . . I’ve got to be ready for the looks. Or the rare event someone says something, I feel might need something brief, calm, non-confrontational to say. And all this takes energy, and I may not always have this energy.

As you yourself says, the mask-wearing needs to be a chunk above 40% to really do any good at all.


Reeeeeallly sad that dirty looks or comments from science denying morons would discourage you from wearing a mask to slow the spread and protect public health. :( What an absurd cultural phenomenon!

If anyone wants to give me a “Karen,” look for wearing a mask I’ll stare them down for being stupid. And if they want to open their mouth and actually say something moronic it’d be my pleasure to verbally embarrass them with a brutal takedown for all within earshot to hear. 8)

It takes everyone doing their part to achieve what most other countries have managed to. Saying “f**k it, who cares,” and not wearing a mask because some moron might give you a dirty look or make a stupid comment just contributes to the problem instead of making any progress towards resolving it. And again: basic masks are not about protecting yourself. They’re about protecting others from you. When nearly everyone does this to respect one another’s health, the rate of transmission plummets.

That’s why the phrase is “My mask protects you, your mask protects me.” Or even better in meme form: Namaske. 8)

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04 Jul 2020, 12:21 pm

At this point, I am still wearing a mask literally every time I leave the house, and for 6 hours a day at work, despite having asthma. The majority of people on the buses wear them, which I'm glad of given the amount of time I spend commuting. In the shops, virtually no-one does. Definitely get some odd looks. A couple of weeks ago, a gasfitter came round to check my boiler. I was told he'd be wearing full PPE- he wasn't. I answered the door with a cloth mask on- he backed away and asked if I was infectious. Unbelievable.


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04 Jul 2020, 12:33 pm

^I would have asked him to put a mask on before entering my home or leave and come back with one or send someone else who will.

We had an issue with our phone modem and had to call our cable provider for a fix. They won’t even send technicians to do any work inside peoples homes - only outside if the problem is in a junction box accessible on the outside of the house. I wasn’t here when they came, but IF they had to come inside it would only be into the garage and they could have the door wide open and a mask on.

Obviously one cannot work on a boiler from outside. You’d think the guy would simply be told by his employer that he’s to wear a mask when entering any client’s home. Period.


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04 Jul 2020, 7:19 pm

They say they want the freedom of choice not to wear a mask but make fun of people when they use their freedom of choice to wear one. Which means its not about freedom of choice at all but being a sadistic bully.


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05 Jul 2020, 12:12 am

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Of course they should also be wearing visors to protect their eyes :roll:



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05 Jul 2020, 12:16 am

You don’t exhale, cough, or sneeze through your eyes.. well, the rest of us don’t. Mmmmaaaybe you do? :?


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05 Jul 2020, 12:23 am

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You don’t exhale, cough, or sneeze through your eyes.. well, the rest of us don’t. Mmmmaaaybe you do? :?

https://www.westernstarnews.com.au/news ... s/4016558/



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05 Jul 2020, 12:29 am

cyberdad wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
You don’t exhale, cough, or sneeze through your eyes.. well, the rest of us don’t. Mmmmaaaybe you do? :?

https://www.westernstarnews.com.au/news ... s/4016558/


Okay.

But the point of the masks, and the namaske meme, is that you’re protecting others from you by wearing a mask to keep your breath’s droplets from spreading so others can’t inhale them (or absorb them through their eyes, I guess. Probably higher risk of that in an enclosed airplane cabin packed with people than 6’ apart in a grocery store.)

Sooo, since you don’t exhale, cough, or sneeze through your eyeballs you don’t have to cover them up to protect others from you like you do your mouth and nose with a mask.


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