Possible new flag for Massachusetts

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Boston (AP)

Native American groups rallied in front of the Massachusetts state house thursday to urge passage of legislation banning the use of Indian mascots and reviewing the state seal and flag,which depicts an native American.

If the Redskins can change,so can the commonwealth,said Kevin Peterson of the new democracy coalition.

The North American Indian center of Boston,the united American Indians of New England and other groups organized at the statehouse for passage of three bills as the july 31st end of legislative session approaches.

One proposal would create a commission to review the state seal and motto,another would ban public schools from using native American mascots.

Hartman Deetz,a member of the Mashpee Wampanoag's said: The state seal is a sign of white supremacy because it references the defeat of Indians in past battles.

The emblem depicts a native American man ,a colonists sword and the Latin phrase "by the sword we shall seek peace"

We don't feel honored by any of these mascots but we feel like a trophy,said Brittany Walley of the Nipmuc nation.

I wonder how far away we are from a temporary suspension of the ban on tobacco ads from airing on television? It can't be that far away from Redman chewing tobacco and American Spirit cigarettes announcing a new and different marketing strategies and branding.

Eventually they will get rid of everything

I think it's a worthwhile change. It doesn't seem right to use them as a symbol on their flag considering how the algonquians were expelled from the state or killed. They were long gone by the time the state adopted this flag in 1908 with them as a vexillogical prop.

If we can't agree on that front, then I would say it should get changed because it doesn't look very good imo. Maybe it's my personal taste but it's just got too much white and the seal color scheme is meh. I think they could try something similar to flags from before independence. Or they could use the reverse side of the flag they had until 1971:

You really know your stuff.Most of the Wampanoag's and Nipmuc's skipped town for west of the Hudson after King Philip's war and mixed with the Mohawks.

You flatter me (unless this is sarcasm, my anxiety makes me worry that and i can never tell). Tho I did do a bit of research so that wasn't all off the top of my head. The seal would be less egregious if the native holding an upside down arrow is meant to signify peace. Kind of bitterly ironic if you ask me

Tbh I legit forgot what the flag looked like bc it's one of those kind of forgettable state flags that's just an oddly colored seal on a plain background (Vermont, Kentucky come to mind). The colonial flags looked nice to me (red field, pine tree in the corner usually). Or a new design could be good if there's concern about problematic associations with colonial massachusetts but idk what they would do that ppl would agree on

No sarcasm intended.Im not really sure what there going to do with the flag.probably same color scheme different logo.

The flag and seal are a reference to the Revolutionary War. The Natives in Massachusetts did side with the Patriots during the war, and the press on both sides used Natives to represent the Patriot side in their political cartoons. So no, it is not a symbol of Indians being defeated, but of Indians being the victors. But, not my call..

If so there weren't many,most of the Native Americans died in King Philip's war or left for west of the Hudson after Metacomet's death and defeat.
Or died of diseases before the revolution.

Native population was very low around the time of the revolution.

I see your from Boston, Im from North Berkshire county.Nice to meet you

Translation: We'll finally stop being used as mascots.