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jimmy m
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22 Feb 2019, 10:06 am

I read an article this morning called Mice Deprived Of 'Love Hormone' Sit Alone In The Cold

So I began to wonder if perhaps part of the problem that Aspies have is due to a deficiency in the production of the "Love Hormone". So I wonder if it is because we are oxytocin-deficient!

"In biological terms, social drives like love may be bound up with the need to keep warm.

The same hormone, oxytocin, helps regulate both physical and emotional warmth, increasing body heat and facilitating social bonding. And according to recent research, baby mice deprived of the hormone are less likely to cuddle with other mice or crawl toward heated surfaces.

"We're working with infant mice, but some of these mechanisms may be relevant to understanding adults, including adult humans," said Christopher Harshaw, a behavioral neuroscientist at the University of New Orleans and first author of the study, which was published last year in the journal Hormones and Behavior.

What is oxytocin?

Oxytocin has been nicknamed "the love hormone" for its role in social behavior and emotion. Studies suggest it can promote trust, generosity and empathy in humans, and it is involved in bonding between mothers and babies and between romantic partners.

Oxytocin's real role in human sociality is more complicated, said Zoe Donaldson, a neuroscientist at the University of Colorado Boulder. In certain circumstances, it can also promote negative feelings such as jealousy and schadenfreude. Some researchers now think it functions as a "social booster," amplifying people's reactions to any social situation, said Donaldson. Thus, if someone is being bullied, oxytocin might make them feel even more traumatized, whereas if they are kissing a lover, its presence might enhance that romantic glow.

The effects differ between species, since different kinds of animals have receptors for the hormone in different parts of their brains, said Donaldson. But in general, oxytocin appears to help regulate how animals feel when they're together.

Oxytocin is also important for physical processes such as birth, lactation and temperature regulation. It allows mice to activate a heat-producing tissue called brown fat, and it may reduce heat loss by constricting peripheral blood vessels.

Warm and snuggly

Huddling is where oxytocin's social and thermal sides come together. Animals that huddle with one another are obviously being social, but in many cases they are also conserving precious body heat. Past studies have shown that marmoset monkeys and various rodents huddle more when dosed with oxytocin.

To further explore this phenomenon, Harshaw and his colleagues studied baby mice, which are tiny, bald and highly vulnerable to cold. Some of the mouse pups were normal, while others had been genetically engineered to lack oxytocin. The mice were otherwise similar, and the researchers took care to compare mice with matching body weights.

When the researchers lowered the temperature in a mouse enclosure, the oxytocin-deficient pups showed less brown fat activation, and their bodies grew significantly colder than those of normal mice. One might think that would make them even more eager to find external heat sources. But while the normal pups quickly clumped together, the oxytocin-deficient pups failed to form cohesive cuddle puddles.

Of course, the oxytocin-deficient mouse pups might have been alone because no one wanted to snuggle with them. Studies with mice and rats suggest that warmer individuals are more popular with their fellows, while cold ones tend to be pushed to the edge of the group. But the researchers suspected there was more going on with the oxytocin-deficient mice.

"They didn't seem to be as motivated to huddle," said Harshaw. "Animals would break apart, and they would just kind of lay there."

To test their impressions, the researchers placed mouse pups at the cold end of an alley that got gradually warmer toward the other end. When mice were in groups, oxytocin made no obvious difference to their movements up the alley. But when they were placed alone on the cold surface, oxytocin-deficient pups tended to crawl away more slowly than their normal counterparts. Male oxytocin-deficient pups were especially sluggish, and they often settled in cooler spots.

"To me what that says is that it's not just that they're not particularly good at making their own body heat. They aren't even seeking it out," said Donaldson, who was not involved in the study.

Roots of modern love

Together with past research, the recent study suggests that temperature regulation and social bonding share a deep connection, said Dakota McCoy, an evolutionary biologist and doctoral student who is studying mouse huddling at Harvard University in Cambridge. In one plausible scenario, she imagines animals first evolving to tolerate each other so they can share body heat, then gradually developing other reasons to enjoy each other's company.

At first glance, the idea of getting close to someone for the sake of their body heat can seem kind of Machiavellian, admitted McCoy. But even if human love is rooted in ancient physical needs, that doesn't make the feelings any less real. And while modern adult humans rarely need to share body heat for survival, we still like to warm up in a loved one's arms.

"All I could think about as I was reading the paper was how at night, when I'm cold, I try to snuggle up next to my husband. Which is serving both of these purposes," said Donaldson.

The connection between temperature and social behavior is even embedded in human language. English speakers refer to "warm fuzzy feelings" and "warm" or "cold" personalities, and similar expressions exist in many other languages.
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So my next thought is "Where do I buy the stuff?" A quick search of the internet shows they sell "Oxytocin Nasal Spray". This product appears to be for sale over the internet. This seems like an interesting experiment? Anyone try this???? I wonder if the body can properly absorb this hormone through a nasal spray. Again to the Internet. "It's available by prescription under the brand names Pitocin and Syntocinon. Nasal sprays are commonly used in medical studies of psychiatric effects, because a nasal spray allows oxytocin to travel more readily from the bloodstream to the brain than an injection." A little more research. "Oxytocin is a natural hormone that causes the uterus to contract. Oxytocin is used to induce labor or strengthen labor contractions during childbirth, and to control bleeding after childbirth. Oxytocin is also used to stimulate uterine contractions in a woman with an incomplete or threatened miscarriage." So probably any experimentation with this hormone should be focused on the male of the Aspie species.

Then there is drug interactions!!
Oxytocin seems to have a problem with drug interaction with:
* cough or cold medicine that contains a decongestant (pseudoephedrine or phenylephrine);
* medicines that contain caffeine, such as migraine headache medicine; or
* stimulant medications such as drugs to treat ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), including Adderall, Concerta, Daytrana, Ritalin, Strattera, and others.

It appears they sell the oxytocin nasal spray over the internet. A small bottle called "PherLuv OxyLuv Oxytocin Nasal Spray" runs for $69.99 on Amazon. That seems like a lot. In their discussion they advertise "Oxytocin is scientifically proven by the medical field to reduce social fears, anxiety, stress, and create feelings of trust between others."

So if anyone has used oxytocin nasal spray, please report your findings here. Was it effective? Maybe we need a little boost of the "Love Hormone"! !!


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22 Feb 2019, 10:15 am

The last thing humanity needs is more "love" in the vulgar, sexual sense. It certainly needs more love in the sense of agape, however, but that doesn't make anybody any money, and so is ignored.



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22 Feb 2019, 1:23 pm

jimmy m wrote:
Maybe we need a little boost of the "Love Hormone"! ! !

why would a solitary person seek to find/increase discontentment? have already known love, and the warmth, sense of safety, and hope it brings, it’s just extremely rare, and rationally so... to feel such while knowing it’s a lie would surely create discord.


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22 Feb 2019, 1:26 pm

Based on my breastfeeding expirience, I definitely don't lack oxitocine.
It may be responsible for "female Aspie traits" - more social drive but not better social sense.


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22 Feb 2019, 1:32 pm

Love is overrated. Or at least most people's idea of what love is. (it's not sex)



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22 Feb 2019, 1:47 pm

There is love without sex, and sex without love. I wasn't aware that there was a widespread belief that sex equals love.


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22 Feb 2019, 2:37 pm

Did a little more research and found that there has already been done at least one clinical trial along this line.

Source: Oxytocin spray boosts social skills in children with autism

Treatment with the hormone oxytocin improves social skills in some children with autism, suggest results from a small clinical trial. The results appeared today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Oxytocin, dubbed the ‘love hormone,’ enhances social behavior in animals. This effect makes it attractive as a potential autism treatment. But studies in people have been inconsistent: Some small trials have shown that the hormone improves social skills in people with autism, and others have shown no benefit. This may be because only a subset of people with autism respond to the treatment.


Apparently some autistics have been found to have abnormally low levels of this hormone and it is those individuals that received this hormone that responded very positively to improvement in social skills.


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22 Feb 2019, 2:58 pm

Another research study showed:

Oxytocin nasal spray said to normalize eye gaze patterns in children with autism

The so-called “love” hormone, oxytocin, has been shown to enhance social behavior in children with autism. Now, a new study has demonstrated that it may also influence other behavior patterns seen in autism, such as visual fixations and eye gaze preferences.

The study was published this week in the journal Development and Psychopathology, with lead authors from the University of Iowa, the Center for Disabilities and Development, and Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

The researchers examined the effect of oxytocin, a chemical in the brain involved in social bonding, in children with autism. Using an automated eye tracking device, they were able to follow viewing preferences in 16 children with autism and a matched comparison group. Lead author Lane Strathearn, MD, PhD, Director of the Division of Developmental and Behavioral Pediatrics at the UI, explains that “children with autism preferred viewing more highly structured and organized real-life images, compared to the other children”.

“However,” he says, “after receiving a nasal spray of oxytocin, these children behaved more like their typically developing peers.”

Unexpectedly, the team also found the opposite result in typically developing children; after receiving the oxytocin spray they behaved more like the children with autism in their gaze preferences.


[That is strange! Individuals may be stressed by too little oxytocin or too much. And there may be a happy median that produces normal individuals.]


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22 Feb 2019, 3:07 pm

The University of Cambridge, Autism Research Centre (ARC) is currently conducting research in this area. It is called the Oxytocin Inhalation Project.

A number of studies suggest that oxytocin (a peptide hormone) plays a key role in social behaviour and social understanding. In studies of typical individuals, increases in oxytocin appears to be correlated with increases in trust and in emotion recognition ability. In animal studies it also seems to be associated with social interest. Oxytocin is released during childbirth and lactation and is thought to facilitate the social relationship of attachment between mother and infant. It is also released in response to touch and during sexual relationships suggesting it plays a role in intimate emotional relationships. This hormone is of particular interest because a number of genetic studies of autism (including a recent study undertaken at the ARC) have found differences in the genes related to oxytocin and some studies have also found reduced levels of blood plasma oxytocin. This project seeks to confirm reduced oxytocin levels in an independent sample of people with Asperger Syndrome. Treatment trials of intravenous oxytocin in autism report benefits for emotion recognition. The ARC is conducting a new oxytocin study using a nasal spray since this acts directly on the brain whereas intravenous oxytocin administration affects peripheral blood serum levels of oxytocin but these may not correlate with levels in the brain. As far as is known there are no side-effects of the nasal spray oxytocin inhalation method, which has been used safely by our collaborators in Zürich in typical individuals. We are interested to confirm if oxytocin affects social skills (especially empathy) positively and we also wish to test if oxytocin has any negative impact on areas of strength in autism (such as attention to detail). As with all treatments or interventions for autism, it is important that there are careful evaluations of their benefits and of any unwanted side-effects so that parents and clinicians can make informed choices about their use. A parallel study is testing oxytocin nasal spray treatment effects in patients with Social Anxiety Disorder.

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22 Feb 2019, 3:25 pm

It looks like the Japanese are pushing ahead by commercializing the production of a nasal spray to improve symptoms of autism spectrum disorder.

Source: Japanese researchers push to commercialize 'happiness hormone' nasal spray drug for autism

A group of researchers in Japan is hoping to make available for use as a nasal spray a drug to improve symptoms of autism spectrum disorder, or ASD.

The group, led by Professor Hidenori Yamasue of Hamamatsu University School of Medicine, is conducting a clinical trial of the treatment that includes oxytocin, also known as the “happiness hormone.”

The oxytocin spray is drawing attention from ASD patients and their families throughout Japan because an effective treatment has yet to be established for ASD, which is marked by issues relating to interpersonal communication, empathy and cooperation with others.

During the trial, adult male subjects showed an improvement in their communicative ability after inhaling oxytocin through the nose. Part of the brain that controls emotional understanding grew more active after the inhalation.

The oxytocin spray, which is in a Phase 2 trial, is being tested at seven universities across the country.

Yamasue said the group aims to put the treatment into practical use by 2023 after confirming its safety and effects.


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22 Feb 2019, 3:37 pm

I kind of like this concept.

Before you go on a job interview, you take a puff of a nasal spray containing oxytocin.
Before you go on your first date, you take a puff.
Before you walk down the aisle for your wedding, you take a puff.
Before you give your oral dissertation defense at the university, you take a puff.
As you walk into a critical meeting, you take a puff.

It is kind of like upping-your-game, when you really need to up-your-game.

Interesting concept!


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23 Feb 2019, 9:35 am

I slept on it and I think I know what is going on.

The endocrine system is one of two systems that control and coordinate many functions to keep our bodies working in balance, called homeostasis. While our nervous system uses electrical impulses, the endocrine system uses chemicals called hormones. Hormones usually work more slowly than nerves, but can have longer lasting effects. Oxytocin is produced in the hypothalamus and is secreted into the bloodstream by the posterior pituitary gland. Secretion depends on electrical activity of neurons in the hypothalamus – it is released into the blood when these cells are excited. The two main actions of oxytocin in the body are contraction of the womb (uterus) during childbirth and lactation. More recently, oxytocin has been suggested to be an important player in social behavior. In the brain, oxytocin acts as a chemical messenger and has been shown to be important in human behaviors including sexual arousal, recognition, trust, anxiety and mother–infant bonding. Low oxytocin levels have been linked to autism and autistic spectrum disorders (e.g. Asperger syndrome) – a key element of these disorders being poor social functioning.

So I will put forth the theory that under overwhelming stress, the body will divert its resources towards production of stress hormones such as the adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), and catecholamine hormones, such as adrenaline (epinephrine) or noradrenaline (norepinephrine). And at the same time turn off production of oxytocin, thereby producing a depleted resource within the body. The long-term loss of depleted oxytocin levels can create an imbalance in homeostasis resulting in severe anti-social behavior.

Thus supplementing oxytocin in the form of a nasal spray can restore oxytocin levels within a person experiencing overwhelming stress, and as a result can temporarily restore social functioning. Therefore oxytocin nasal spray is analogous to a rescue inhaler used by asthmatics for quick relief with trouble breathing.

As a result, I put in an order on Amazon to purchase an oxytocin nasal spray so I can experiment with it. I chose
Pure Oxytocin Nasal Spray sold by Khemcorp. It will take about a month to receive it. Will check back in and let you know the results. I am probably a poor test subject since I have my own effective way of dealing with stress.


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23 Feb 2019, 9:47 am

In all that you posted, jimmy, there was only about a paragraph about uterine stimulation. PREGNANT WOMEN SHOULD NOT SELF-ADMINISTER OXYTOCIN! Yes, I shouted, because some readers might have overlooked that one paragraph.

Otherwise, this was a very interesting series of posts and a promising direction.


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23 Feb 2019, 10:04 am

BeaArthur wrote:
In all that you posted, jimmy, there was only about a paragraph about uterine stimulation. PREGNANT WOMEN SHOULD NOT SELF-ADMINISTER OXYTOCIN! Yes, I shouted, because some readers might have overlooked that one paragraph.

Otherwise, this was a very interesting series of posts and a promising direction.


Thanks BeaArthur for reminding everyone. As I said earlier ""Oxytocin is a natural hormone that causes the uterus to contract. Oxytocin is used to induce labor or strengthen labor contractions during childbirth, and to control bleeding after childbirth. Oxytocin is also used to stimulate uterine contractions in a woman with an incomplete or threatened miscarriage." So probably any experimentation with this hormone should be focused on the male of the Aspie species."

Also be aware of drug interactions:
"Oxytocin seems to have a problem with drug interaction with:
* cough or cold medicine that contains a decongestant (pseudoephedrine or phenylephrine);
* medicines that contain caffeine, such as migraine headache medicine; or
* stimulant medications such as drugs to treat ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), including Adderall, Concerta, Daytrana, Ritalin, Strattera, and others."


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23 Feb 2019, 5:15 pm

Doesn't the brain produce oxytocin when a person orgasms? So couldn't you "administer" this hormone by getting regular orgasms instead of taking some kind of prescription or supplement? Just try to encourage your body to make more of its own oxytocin, I would imagine that would be the safer way.

Someone else mentioned breastfeeding (magz, I think it was?)--they say stimulating the nipples (female and male) also produces oxytocin. So yeah I would suggest orgasms with nipple play before taking a pill, if one wants to try to increase their oxytocin levels.

Surprise finding in response to nipple stimulation



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24 Feb 2019, 3:09 pm

Fascinating thread. 8)

I definitely know that the endocrine system plays a role in My ASD symptoms as when I supplement Vitamin D & UV light I'm able to keep my brain/body/nervous system functioning far higher than when I don't during the lower light portions of the year.

However, given my nature with kids & babies (close, cuddly, reciprocative) and my nature *ahem* in the bedroom (close, sensual blah blah), I doubt that I am severely lacking in Oxytocin. It would be interesting if there were a simple test to determine what my personal levels were & then experiment with railing the stuff out of a sniffer bottle.

I might try it sometime just for the sake of trying it and see how it compares to other substances in low therapeutic doses. The description of it's effects reminds me of a couple different drugs - but I'd imagine it's safer than some, and possibly more effective for certain things.

Definitely looking forward to jimmy m's experimentation and updates. 8) Also curious if it's a controlled substance that can't be shipped across the Canadian border ?? Hmm. I guess I'll have to look that up if/when I'm serious about railing some to see how it feels. 8)


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