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20 Sep 2020, 1:15 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Chauvin looks not guilty.

Some facts:
George Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his blood.
Fentanyl causes breathing difficulty.
George Floyd resisted arrest.
Officer Chauvin was following police procedure.

Minneapolis police training slide of putting knee on neck of arrested suspect.
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So we're just going to pretend that intentionally applying a lethal amount of force by cutting off blood flow to the man's brain for 8 minutes and 46 seconds didn't occur despite the fact that we all saw it? George Floyd would be alive today had Chauvin not intentionally chosen to use lethal force when it wasn't needed. Chauvin needs to be held accountable for the murder he chose to commit. Anything short of a guilty verdict would be a failure to hold a violent criminal accountable for their crime.

Claiming he had a lethal dose of fentanyl doesn't appear to be true considering he was mobile, alert and not demonstrating any signs other signs of acute opioid intoxication during the interaction. You can't honestly claim he overdosed if he obviously didn't overdose as the video evidence demonstrates.


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20 Sep 2020, 1:34 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Chauvin looks not guilty.

Some facts:
George Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his blood.
Fentanyl causes breathing difficulty.
George Floyd resisted arrest.
Officer Chauvin was following police procedure.

Minneapolis police training slide of putting knee on neck of arrested suspect.
Image


So we're just going to pretend that intentionally applying a lethal amount of force by cutting off blood flow to the man's brain for 8 minutes and 46 seconds didn't occur despite the fact that we all saw it? George Floyd would be alive today had Chauvin not intentionally chosen to use lethal force when it wasn't needed. Chauvin needs to be held accountable for the murder he chose to commit. Anything short of a guilty verdict would be a failure to hold a violent criminal accountable for their crime.

Claiming he had a lethal dose of fentanyl doesn't appear to be true considering he was mobile, alert and not demonstrating any signs other signs of acute opioid intoxication during the interaction. You can't honestly claim he overdosed if he obviously didn't overdose as the video evidence demonstrates.

More facts:
- the medical examiner says Floyd had a lethal dose of fentayl in his blood
-a fentayl overdose can cause death by asphyxiation
- the medical examiner says based on the evidence he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose if Floyd was found at home
-the medical examiner found no evidence of neck bruising

So ...

-there is no evidence Chauvin's knee caused Floyd's death
-video cannot tell us how much pressure Chauvin put on Floyd's neck


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20 Sep 2020, 1:41 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
More facts:
- the medical examiner says Floyd had a lethal dose of fentayl in his blood
- the medical examiner says based on the evidence he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose if Floyd was found at home
-the medical examiner found no evidence of neck bruising

So ...

-there is no evidence Chauvin's knee caused Floyd's death
-video cannot tell us how much pressure Chauvin put on Floyd's neck


News on the medical examiner's report: Two autopsies find homicide and asphyxiation



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20 Sep 2020, 1:45 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
More facts:
- the medical examiner says Floyd had a lethal dose of fentayl in his blood
- the medical examiner says based on the evidence he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose if Floyd was found at home
-the medical examiner found no evidence of neck bruising

So ...

-there is no evidence Chauvin's knee caused Floyd's death
-video cannot tell us how much pressure Chauvin put on Floyd's neck


News on the medical examiner's report: Two autopsies find homicide and asphyxiation

No, they don't.

The medical examiners speculated at death.

The county medical examiner admitted that his "determination" was simply looking at the video, and not the physical evidence (which he found none).


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20 Sep 2020, 1:46 pm

Generally , i have found by personal experience sheriff s and police dept have their own in house medical examiners / coroners . And are under the control of those dept.s as to what information is released...that being said mr floyd would have not been able to competently resist a arrest ,
under the effects of that much opiods . if the case was that he had enough drugs in his system to kill him how and why , was he able to run away in the first place
Something still sounds very fishy , given these circumstances .


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20 Sep 2020, 1:48 pm

Jakki wrote:
...if the case was that he had enough drugs in his system to kill him...


He didn't. He was killed by the action of the police officer knelling on his neck.



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20 Sep 2020, 1:50 pm

Jakki wrote:
Generally , i have found by personal experience sheriff s and police dept have their own in house medical examiners / coroners . And are under the control of those dept.s as to what information is released...that being said mr floyd would have not been able to competently resist a arrest ,
under the effects of that much opiods . if the case was that he had enough drugs in his system to kill him how and why , was he able to run away in the first place
Something still sounds very fishy , given these circumstances .

Drugs can take time to kill you?


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20 Sep 2020, 1:51 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
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...if the case was that he had enough drugs in his system to kill him...


He didn't. He was killed by the action of the police officer knelling on his neck.

How can you prove that in a court to a jury?


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20 Sep 2020, 1:56 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
More facts:
- the medical examiner says Floyd had a lethal dose of fentayl in his blood
- the medical examiner says based on the evidence he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose if Floyd was found at home
-the medical examiner found no evidence of neck bruising

So ...

-there is no evidence Chauvin's knee caused Floyd's death
-video cannot tell us how much pressure Chauvin put on Floyd's neck


News on the medical examiner's report: Two autopsies find homicide and asphyxiation

No, they don't.

The medical examiners speculated at death.

The county medical examiner admitted that his "determination" was simply looking at the video, and not the physical evidence (which he found none).


You can't perform autopsy by video. The two final autopsies showed homicide by asphyxiation--see link above. You have also been gaslit: George Floyd’s Autopsy and the Structural Gaslighting of America



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20 Sep 2020, 1:59 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
More facts:
- the medical examiner says Floyd had a lethal dose of fentayl in his blood
- the medical examiner says based on the evidence he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose if Floyd was found at home
-the medical examiner found no evidence of neck bruising

So ...

-there is no evidence Chauvin's knee caused Floyd's death
-video cannot tell us how much pressure Chauvin put on Floyd's neck


News on the medical examiner's report: Two autopsies find homicide and asphyxiation

No, they don't.

The medical examiners speculated at death.

The county medical examiner admitted that his "determination" was simply looking at the video, and not the physical evidence (which he found none).


You can't perform autopsy by video. The two final autopsies showed homicide by asphyxiation--see link above. You have also been gaslit: George Floyd’s Autopsy and the Structural Gaslighting of America

I explained above that the county medical examiner admitted he found no physical evidence of that.

He admitted he looked at the video to make that determination.

He even admitted that he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose based on the physical evidence.

Speculation is not evidence.


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20 Sep 2020, 1:59 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
Jakki wrote:
...if the case was that he had enough drugs in his system to kill him...


He didn't. He was killed by the action of the police officer knelling on his neck.

How can you prove that in a court to a jury?


By the medical reports. From the article I linked in the first post:

Quote:
George Floyd, the Minnesota man who died after an officer arresting him pressed his knee onto his neck, died by homicide, according to the results of two autopsies released on Monday — one by the county medical examiner and the other by independent pathologists commissioned by Floyd's family.



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20 Sep 2020, 2:00 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Chauvin looks not guilty.

Some facts:
George Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his blood.
Fentanyl causes breathing difficulty.
George Floyd resisted arrest.
Officer Chauvin was following police procedure.

Minneapolis police training slide of putting knee on neck of arrested suspect.
Image


So we're just going to pretend that intentionally applying a lethal amount of force by cutting off blood flow to the man's brain for 8 minutes and 46 seconds didn't occur despite the fact that we all saw it? George Floyd would be alive today had Chauvin not intentionally chosen to use lethal force when it wasn't needed. Chauvin needs to be held accountable for the murder he chose to commit. Anything short of a guilty verdict would be a failure to hold a violent criminal accountable for their crime.

Claiming he had a lethal dose of fentanyl doesn't appear to be true considering he was mobile, alert and not demonstrating any signs other signs of acute opioid intoxication during the interaction. You can't honestly claim he overdosed if he obviously didn't overdose as the video evidence demonstrates.

More facts:
- the medical examiner says Floyd had a lethal dose of fentayl in his blood
-a fentayl overdose can cause death by asphyxiation
- the medical examiner says based on the evidence he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose if Floyd was found at home
-the medical examiner found no evidence of neck bruising

So ...

-there is no evidence Chauvin's knee caused Floyd's death
-video cannot tell us how much pressure Chauvin put on Floyd's neck


Have you ever seen someone who's taken too large of dose of opioids? They nod off and struggle to remain coherent/responsive/aware of their surroundings. Based on the video evidence and what's been publicly discussed already George Floyd wasn't demonstrating signs of opioid overdose.

A habitual user of opioids develops tolerance and can function with doses that would likely cause an opioid naive individual to die. George Floyd was known to be a habitual user of opioid drugs, it seems unreasonable to insist he overdosed when he wasn't demonstrating signs consistent with an overdose and would have had an elevated tolerance to drugs of that type.


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20 Sep 2020, 2:03 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
Jakki wrote:
...if the case was that he had enough drugs in his system to kill him...


He didn't. He was killed by the action of the police officer knelling on his neck.

How can you prove that in a court to a jury?


By the medical reports. From the article I linked in the first post:

Quote:
George Floyd, the Minnesota man who died after an officer arresting him pressed his knee onto his neck, died by homicide, according to the results of two autopsies released on Monday — one by the county medical examiner and the other by independent pathologists commissioned by Floyd's family.

You're citing news headlines without understanding them.

The county medical examiner said he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose based on the physical evidence.

The country medical examiner said he speculated at the cause of death based on video, however, he found no physical evidence (neck bruising) to back up his speculation.

Speculation is not proof.


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20 Sep 2020, 2:03 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
More facts:
- the medical examiner says Floyd had a lethal dose of fentayl in his blood
- the medical examiner says based on the evidence he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose if Floyd was found at home
-the medical examiner found no evidence of neck bruising

So ...

-there is no evidence Chauvin's knee caused Floyd's death
-video cannot tell us how much pressure Chauvin put on Floyd's neck


News on the medical examiner's report: Two autopsies find homicide and asphyxiation

No, they don't.

The medical examiners speculated at death.

The county medical examiner admitted that his "determination" was simply looking at the video, and not the physical evidence (which he found none).


You can't perform autopsy by video. The two final autopsies showed homicide by asphyxiation--see link above. You have also been gaslit: George Floyd’s Autopsy and the Structural Gaslighting of America

I explained above that the county medical examiner admitted he found no physical evidence of that.

He admitted he looked at the video to make that determination.

He even admitted that he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose based on the physical evidence.

Speculation is not evidence.


The medical report can also be found here: County medical report You will need to create and account.



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20 Sep 2020, 2:04 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
More facts:
- the medical examiner says Floyd had a lethal dose of fentayl in his blood
- the medical examiner says based on the evidence he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose if Floyd was found at home
-the medical examiner found no evidence of neck bruising

So ...

-there is no evidence Chauvin's knee caused Floyd's death
-video cannot tell us how much pressure Chauvin put on Floyd's neck


News on the medical examiner's report: Two autopsies find homicide and asphyxiation

No, they don't.

The medical examiners speculated at death.

The county medical examiner admitted that his "determination" was simply looking at the video, and not the physical evidence (which he found none).


You can't perform autopsy by video. The two final autopsies showed homicide by asphyxiation--see link above. You have also been gaslit: George Floyd’s Autopsy and the Structural Gaslighting of America

I explained above that the county medical examiner admitted he found no physical evidence of that.

He admitted he looked at the video to make that determination.

He even admitted that he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose based on the physical evidence.

Speculation is not evidence.


The medical report can also be found here: County medical report You will need to create and account.

I've read it so many times.

What don't you understand?


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20 Sep 2020, 2:06 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
Jakki wrote:
...if the case was that he had enough drugs in his system to kill him...


He didn't. He was killed by the action of the police officer knelling on his neck.

How can you prove that in a court to a jury?


By the medical reports. From the article I linked in the first post:

Quote:
George Floyd, the Minnesota man who died after an officer arresting him pressed his knee onto his neck, died by homicide, according to the results of two autopsies released on Monday — one by the county medical examiner and the other by independent pathologists commissioned by Floyd's family.

You're citing news headlines without understanding them.

The county medical examiner said he would rule Floyd's death a drug overdose based on the physical evidence.

The country medical examiner said he speculated at the cause of death based on video, however, he found no physical evidence (neck bruising) to back up his speculation.

Speculation is not proof.


You are confusing the preliminary report with the final report. Also from the first link I posted:

Quote:
The report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." The manner of death was ruled homicide, but the office noted that "is not a legal determination of culpability or intent." A preliminary autopsy report cited earlier by prosecutors said the county medical examiner's review "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."


The first report was in "error."