Pelosi’s 25th amendment bill

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09 Oct 2020, 5:08 am

Pelosi pushes new bill to determine whether Trump is capable of serving as President

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, alarmed by President Donald Trump's erratic behavior in recent days, is putting her weight behind a bill to give Congress a role in determining whether the President of the United States must be forced out of office because he's incapable of doing his job.

The move, in response to Trump's conduct in the days after testing positive for the coronavirus, would establish a process to effectively give Congress a say in removing a president from office under the 25th Amendment of the Constitution, which allows for a president to be removed from office if a majority of Cabinet members and the vice president consider him unable to carry out his duties. Section four of the 25th Amendment also says that if a majority of a body established by law, along with the vice president, declare in writing that if the president is disabled and unable to do his job, the vice president immediately becomes the acting president.

The bill, Democrats say, will create that body to help determine the fitness of the president. The proposal, which will be introduced Friday by Pelosi and Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin, will create a body designed to "help ensure effective and uninterrupted leadership in the highest office in the Executive Branch of government," according to Pelosi's office.

The measure stands virtually no chance of becoming law. But it is designed to heighten the attention on Trump's condition after his doctors have provided limited information about his recovery from coronavirus.

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09 Oct 2020, 11:18 am

This is a political stunt by Pelosi. Its a dangerous precedent since some day the balance of power will change and it could be used against a future Democrat president.

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09 Oct 2020, 11:20 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Pelosi pushes new bill to determine whether Trump is capable of serving as President

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I wish them well and hope they succeed; not that a GOP-controlled Senate would go along, but it is worth trying.

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09 Oct 2020, 11:51 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:

This is a political stunt by Pelosi. Its a dangerous precedent since some day the balance of power will change and it could be used against a future Democrat president.

The 25th exists to remove an unfit president like the 'roided up lunatic currently occupying the office. Just because the GOP will eventually use any tool available in a corrupt manner doesn't mean those tools shouldn't be used for their intended purpose; it's just yet another reason why the GOP should be viewed as a threat to American democracy.

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09 Oct 2020, 11:53 am

funeralxempire wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

This is a political stunt by Pelosi. Its a dangerous precedent since some day the balance of power will change and it could be used against a future Democrat president.

Republican politicians are all Nazis, except for the Rockefeller Republicans, if there are even any left.

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09 Oct 2020, 12:04 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

This is a political stunt by Pelosi. Its a dangerous precedent since some day the balance of power will change and it could be used against a future Democrat president.

Republican politicians are all Nazis, except for the Rockefeller Republicans, if there are even any left.

I wouldn't go that far. First off, not all fascists are Nazis. Secondly, the GOP has (had?) decent people who disagreed with fascists like Trump and his bloc but they've largely been marginalized or forced to bend the knee and enable him.

They haven't yet crossed the moral event horizons that the NSDAP eventually did, but ignoring that significant difference, one thing they both have in common is that they're being enabled and normalized by people who aren't the cartoonish villains we've been indoctrinated to believe that fascists and fascist sympathizers have to be because that was never an accurate or reasonable depiction.

The people who welcomed fascist regimes to take over their own countries in the past weren't villains, they were regular schmucks like the rest of us. They had friends, social lives so-on-so-forth. None of that prevented them from becoming complicit in the crimes of the regime they supported. That's part of what makes that bloc so dangerous, most of them aren't evil, just terribly misguided.

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09 Oct 2020, 1:39 pm

Maybe Pelosi wants to replace Biden with Harris, if Hell freezes over and Biden actually gets elected?

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09 Oct 2020, 2:14 pm

This seems to be a somewhat unnecessary move given that the election is less than 4 weeks from now.

Even if there was grounds for removing Trump due to him being "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" (not exactly the most stringent and well-defined criteria) the process of even arriving at this decision might take longer than 4 weeks.

Removal of a sitting president also has to - according to article 4 of the 25th amendment - be agreed upon by the vice president, regardless of what actions Congress may take.

If Trump loses and goes batshit after the election - during the lame duck session until inauguration in January 2021 - then it might make more sense.

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09 Oct 2020, 4:37 pm

A pointless political stunt that will go nowhere and accomplish nothing.
Even if it did pass, does it maybe occur to establishment Democrats that maybe, just maybe, it could be used against them? And that there will not always be a raving Republican in office?
It's a shortsighted juvenile distraction

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09 Oct 2020, 8:46 pm

It would be nice if Pelosi and the Dems would offer something of substance to give Americans a reason to vote for them, rather then another distraction from the real problems we face. Don't forget, they have passed Trump's entire legislative agenda.

Yeah, they're taking on Trump. And I'm the queen of England.

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11 Oct 2020, 4:58 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

This is a political stunt by Pelosi. Its a dangerous precedent since some day the balance of power will change and it could be used against a future Democrat president.

Republican politicians are all Nazis, except for the Rockefeller Republicans, if there are even any left.

I think a lot of them became Democrats in later years.

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14 Oct 2020, 8:33 am

An educational overview of how things "work" at present...

It would be interesting to see the proposed changes added into this.

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