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17 Oct 2020, 3:19 pm

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So they are engaging in political interference, favouring the Democrats?


That is the appearance being given, yes.


In the same way The New York post is engaging in political interference, disfavoring Democrats.



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17 Oct 2020, 3:26 pm

Feyokien wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
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So they are engaging in political interference, favouring the Democrats?


That is the appearance being given, yes.


In the same way The New York post is engaging in political interference, disfavoring Democrats.


I think people can see that both Twitter and Face book have a left-wing bias. 8)



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17 Oct 2020, 3:35 pm

Pepe wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:

So they are engaging in political interference, favouring the Democrats?


That is the appearance being given, yes.


In the same way The New York post is engaging in political interference, disfavoring Democrats.


I think people can see that both Twitter and Face book have a left-wing bias. 8)


I think people can see that the New York Post has a right-wing bias.



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17 Oct 2020, 3:42 pm

Feyokien wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Feyokien wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:

So they are engaging in political interference, favouring the Democrats?


That is the appearance being given, yes.


In the same way The New York post is engaging in political interference, disfavoring Democrats.


I think people can see that both Twitter and Face book have a left-wing bias. 8)


I think people can see that the New York Post has a right-wing bias.


Isn't the New York Post a conservative paper?
If so, of course, it has a right-wing bias.

Twitter and Facebook claim that they *aren't* biased.
That is a false claim.
Some people choose not to accept the truth. 8)



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17 Oct 2020, 3:55 pm

1. Has any proof been presented that the laptop even belonged to Hunter Biden?

MacBooks have unique serial numbers which can be used to trace them back to the original point of sale.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201608

This is something that an owner of a Mac repair shop would be intimately familiar with. And after 911, the US authorities have seriously upped their game when it comes to keeping track of laptops, cellphones etc.

All I've seen is that the repair shop owner claimed that it had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it. But I - and anyone else - can have an online print shop makes these in a few days simply by sending them the following:

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2. The repair shop owner said he repeatedly tried to contact the client. How and when did he do this?

Did he send letters by mail? If so, when and to what address?
Did he send e-mails? If so, when and to what e-mail address?
Did he call by telephone? If so, when and to what phone number?
Did he go to the Beau Biden Foundation (possible, as it is in the same city)? If so, when and to what location?

Such activities would either leave a (1) paper/digital trail or (2) a person who could corroborate his story.



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17 Oct 2020, 4:13 pm

Pepe wrote:
Twitter and Facebook claim that they *aren't* biased.
That is a false claim.
Some people choose not to accept the truth. 8)


I don't use either platform. Anyone who draws 'truth' from social media (except maybe in the case of some videos) should probably reexamine the validity of their sources.



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17 Oct 2020, 7:43 pm

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FBI investigating if Hunter Biden email story is linked to Russian disinformation operation
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The unlikely account of how the emails surfaced raised immediate questions about Russian involvement, particularly because U.S. officials have warned that Russia — which backed Trump’s 2016 campaign through hacking and a covert social media campaign — is interfering again this year.

The episode is being investigated as part of a possible Russian influence operation, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to The Associated Press to discuss an ongoing matter. It underscores the extent to which Giuliani, through his activities, is a risk to a White House that spent years shadowed by a federal investigation into whether Trump associates had coordinated with Russia.

The authenticity of the emails remained unclear as of Friday, including whether they were hacked or possibly forged or both.


That is one curious part of all this:
The FBI appear to have subpoeaned the laptops in December 2019, so should have been able to verify ownership of them already.
Having the laptops, they can easily confirm whether the emails being released match those from the laptop.

Absent the subpoena having been for another reason\device, or the laptop (and contents) not being in their possesion, there is little potential for "russian" involvement in this (outside of some "Russian" taking them to the shop 18 months ago).

Personally, I feel that Occam's Razor would suggest that the emails\photographs\videos are legitimate, and were from laptop(s) left at the store. Whether the inferences being drawn from the email contents are correct, however, is the main point of contention.



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17 Oct 2020, 7:51 pm

Feyokien wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Twitter and Facebook claim that they *aren't* biased.
That is a false claim.
Some people choose not to accept the truth. 8)


I don't use either platform. Anyone who draws 'truth' from social media (except maybe in the case of some videos) should probably reexamine the validity of their sources.


Twitter is a social sewer that seems to be predominantly dominated by the left-wing.
Many consider Twitter to be a far-left echo chamber.
I don't have a Twitter or Facebook account, btw. 8)



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17 Oct 2020, 8:10 pm

Feyokien wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:

So they are engaging in political interference, favouring the Democrats?


That is the appearance being given, yes.


In the same way The New York post is engaging in political interference, disfavoring Democrats.


The difference being that under your statement, any items of news, good or bad, becomes "interference", and so whether published or not published all "news" sources are "interfering".

A media source is permitted to publish whatever "news" they feel will appeal to their audience, or not to publish news which they feel their audience may not be interested in, as a way of "informing" their audience. They are also legally liable for anything they publish.

Sites like Facebook and Twitter, however, weren't simply "not showing" the "news" to the section of their members who they felt would not be interested in it, but were actively blocking access to the information to their entire readership and punishing (locking accounts) anyone who tried to present it to people, without providing any objectively reasonable explanation for their actions (claiming they were blocking "hacked"\"illegally obtained" materials using site "rules" from 2018, for example, fails objectively both as the news source publishing the news had already detailed how the items were received (legally, not hacked), and both Twitter and Facebook had been actively promoting the tax records of Mr Trump, which were almost certainly illegally obtained, in the preceeding weeks.)



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17 Oct 2020, 8:57 pm

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1. Has any proof been presented that the laptop even belonged to Hunter Biden?

MacBooks have unique serial numbers which can be used to trace them back to the original point of sale.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201608

This is something that an owner of a Mac repair shop would be intimately familiar with. And after 911, the US authorities have seriously upped their game when it comes to keeping track of laptops, cellphones etc.

All I've seen is that the repair shop owner claimed that it had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it. But I - and anyone else - can have an online print shop makes these in a few days simply by sending them the following:

Image

2. The repair shop owner said he repeatedly tried to contact the client. How and when did he do this?

Did he send letters by mail? If so, when and to what address?
Did he send e-mails? If so, when and to what e-mail address?
Did he call by telephone? If so, when and to what phone number?
Did he go to the Beau Biden Foundation (possible, as it is in the same city)? If so, when and to what location?

Such activities would either leave a (1) paper/digital trail or (2) a person who could corroborate his story.

I was wondering about this too.

All he would have to do is call one of numerous Biden campaign people.

Why did he go to the FBI?

He would of had to think there was a crime?

What crime did he think was committed?

He should have a signed authorization contract with Biden?

Why can't the shop owner produce a receipt?

No company or person drops off their laptop without a receipt.

It doesn't make sense to me now.


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17 Oct 2020, 9:48 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
1. Has any proof been presented that the laptop even belonged to Hunter Biden?

MacBooks have unique serial numbers which can be used to trace them back to the original point of sale.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201608

This is something that an owner of a Mac repair shop would be intimately familiar with. And after 911, the US authorities have seriously upped their game when it comes to keeping track of laptops, cellphones etc.

All I've seen is that the repair shop owner claimed that it had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it. But I - and anyone else - can have an online print shop makes these in a few days simply by sending them the following:

Image

2. The repair shop owner said he repeatedly tried to contact the client. How and when did he do this?

Did he send letters by mail? If so, when and to what address?
Did he send e-mails? If so, when and to what e-mail address?
Did he call by telephone? If so, when and to what phone number?
Did he go to the Beau Biden Foundation (possible, as it is in the same city)? If so, when and to what location?

Such activities would either leave a (1) paper/digital trail or (2) a person who could corroborate his story.

I was wondering about this too.

All he would have to do is call one of numerous Biden campaign people.

Why did he go to the FBI?

He would of had to think there was a crime?

What crime did he think was committed?

He should have a signed authorization contract with Biden?

Why can't the shop owner produce a receipt?

No company or person drops off their laptop without a receipt.

It doesn't make sense to me now.


Maybe some answers can be found here?
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The Chain of Events

The Post reported that the saga started in April 2019, when a man identifying himself as Hunter Biden dropped the laptop off at a computer repair shop in the Biden family’s home state of Delaware. The laptop had been damaged by water.

Although the Post didn’t identify the shop owner, journalists were able to track the shop down because the Post failed to remove metadata from images embedded in the story. The shop owner, John Paul Mac Isaac, spoke to several reporters in a nearly hour-long conversation recorded by The Daily Beast.

In the discussion, Isaac alleged that a man identifying himself as Hunter Biden had dropped the laptop in question off with liquid damage. He also said he didn’t actually see the vice president’s son dropping the laptop off. The Post story contained an invoice naming Hunter Biden.

Isaac declined to answer many questions, but he did state that the contents of the laptop troubled him. Isaac referenced the debunked Seth Rich conspiracy theory, which holds that Rich, a DNC staffer, was murdered by Democratic political operates because after he hacked the DNC’s server. Isaac claimed he was fearful for his own safety.

U.S. Intelligence officials have concluded that it was Russian government agents, not Rich, who hacked the DNC. The Russian government had actively promoted the Seth Rich conspiracy theory, however, as had right-wing media and social media personalities.

Isaac said he was troubled by the contents of the laptop, and was therefore in contact with the FBI — although he gave contradictory statements as to who initiated the contact. According to the subpoena published by the Post, the FBI took the laptop from Isaac in December 2019.

We left a voice message with Isaac’s computer shop but didn’t get a response in time for publication. We also reached out to the FBI with questions about the claims in the story and Isaac’s statement, but the FBI replied that according to policy, it wouldn’t confirm or deny an investigation.

The Post reported that before Isaac gave the laptop and hard drive to the FBI, he “made a copy of the hard drive and later gave it to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello.”

When reached by phone, Costello told Snopes that he was given the contents of the hard drive in September 2020. The contents, he said, contain thousands of emails, text messages, pictures and videos.

Costello told Snopes that the reason his client, Giuliani, ultimately gave the hard drive copy to the Post was because that’s what its source (although Costello didn’t name him, we presume based on Isaac’s own statements that he was the source) wanted done.

“We turned [the hard drive contents] over [to the Post] because the intent of the source was to get the hard drive to Rudy Giuliani so he could do something with it, bring it to the public’s attention,” Costello said.

Costello said it was “reasonable” to assume Isaac wanted the hard drive’s contents given to the Post because he was frustrated by his perceived lack of law enforcement action by the FBI, who had possessed the laptop since December 2019. Costello said the laptop’s original owner never retrieved his property, therefore it was “considered abandoned property” that “became the property of the source.”

Both Facebook and Twitter took action against the Post article, with Twitter blocking users from posting links to it. Twitter said it did so because the story included personal and private information, and its content violated Twitter’s policy against posting hacked material.

“We don’t want to incentivize hacking by allowing Twitter to be used as distribution for possibly illegally obtained materials,” the platform stated.

A Facebook executive said their company suppressed the distribution of the story on its platform to stem the spread of misinformation, pending review by Facebook’s fact-checking partners.

The platforms’ actions prompted a rebuke from Trump.

“So terrible that Facebook and Twitter took down the story of ‘Smoking Gun’ emails related to Sleepy Joe Biden and his son, Hunter,” Trump tweeted. “It is only the beginning for them. There is nothing worse than a corrupt politician.”

Source: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/10/15/hunter-biden-laptop-giuliani/

From this, it appears either the shop owner went to the FBI about the "disturbing contents", or the FBI contacted the shop for it, late last year.

There is an invoice from when it (they?) were left at the shop, dated April 2019 (from memory).

As to the "crime" for which the shop owner contacted the FBI...He appears to be a Trump supporter, and so possibly was thinking along similar lines to the news articles and seeing links (whether existant or imaginary) between Joe Biden and his son's business dealings. It was during the impeachment time, etc. late last year that he contacted them\they contacted him, when this subject was in the news, rather that recently where (before the past week) it had disappeared from the news cycle.

Given that it was something in most major media\news stories at the time, so it would have been reasonable to bring it forward then: Had he only contacted the FBI in the past 3-4 months with it, when it wasn't a major news item, it would have been a lot more suspicious.

Of note, as well, there hasn't been any denial from the Biden campaign\family (as far as I am aware) regarding the accuracy of the emails\photos\videos and their contents.

Being that there is an invoice for the devices being left, and given the timing of the FBI acquiring them from the shop was at around the same time (almost 12 months ago) when the "Biden\Ukraine" story was in the news, long before Mr Biden was confirmed as the Presidential nominee for his party, it is unlikely that part was "political"\designed to affect his campaign. The release of the extra copy to Mr Giuliani, however, and subsequent release to the New York Post, though, was certainly done for political reasons, in the same way the release of Mr Trump's tax records was done to other papers (although in that case there is no source listed\able to be verified\confirmed).



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17 Oct 2020, 10:04 pm

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The release of the extra copy to Mr Giuliani, however, and subsequent release to the New York Post, though, was certainly done for political reasons, in the same way the release of Mr Trump's tax records was done to other papers (although in that case there is no source listed\able to be verified\confirmed).


I read somewhere in the piles of information that the shopkeeper was pro-Trump?

Might it not be a coincidence that the was leaked to Giuliani for the specific purpose/opportunity to dig dirt on Biden's son thus having the desired effect of making mud stick to Biden Snr at this crucial point prior to the election?:



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17 Oct 2020, 10:11 pm

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The release of the extra copy to Mr Giuliani, however, and subsequent release to the New York Post, though, was certainly done for political reasons, in the same way the release of Mr Trump's tax records was done to other papers (although in that case there is no source listed\able to be verified\confirmed).


I read somewhere in the piles of information that the shopkeeper was pro-Trump?

Might it not be a coincidence that the was leaked to Giuliani for the specific purpose/opportunity to dig dirt on Biden's son thus having the desired effect of making mud stick to Biden Snr at this crucial point prior to the election?:


In politics, any dirty trick is up for grabs, on both sides.
That is the nature of politics.
The relevancy is, is the information correct? 8)



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17 Oct 2020, 10:39 pm

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Brictoria wrote:
The release of the extra copy to Mr Giuliani, however, and subsequent release to the New York Post, though, was certainly done for political reasons, in the same way the release of Mr Trump's tax records was done to other papers (although in that case there is no source listed\able to be verified\confirmed).


I read somewhere in the piles of information that the shopkeeper was pro-Trump?

Might it not be a coincidence that the was leaked to Giuliani for the specific purpose/opportunity to dig dirt on Biden's son thus having the desired effect of making mud stick to Biden Snr at this crucial point prior to the election?:


That had been mentioned several times here, yes.

Supposedly the copy from the shop was handed to Mr Giuliani (or his lawyer) in September of this year, although it may have been earlier. Apparently they (Mr Giuliani and the New York post) spent some time trying to determine whether the emails were real or not (and so avoid a potential US version of the Godwin Grech incident), and there may have been some agreement in place that the New York Post were not allowed to do the story before a certain date in order to receive the copy they have. Given that it was released on or around the date of the cancelled debate, it is possible it was planned to try and result in questions at the debate.

With the lack of denials from Mr Biden (or his family\campaign), along with the supporting evidence of the invoice and subpoena, it is likely the "source" material (emails\photos\etc.) and story about how it was obtained is genuine: The story being made around the contents of the emails, however, is open to interpretation thus far...It is being presented in a way to make it appear credible, but there may be other information (either in the emails, or elsewhere) which can disprove it as well.

It will be interesting to see what the FBI investigation comes up with (It shouldn't take long, in theory) regarding Russian interference related to the sourcing of the emails - Supposedly they have the subpoena'd laptop and are aware of where\who it was subpoena'd from. Of course, it is theoretically possible that long before Mr Biden nominated for his party that a laptop with this information was passed along to the store, but that will be difficult to determine as it occurred 18 months ago. Alternatively, it may have been supplied nearer to December, with the invoice being "back dated" at the shop, and the FBI being informed of the contents back then, but even that would be a long shot, given the primaries hadn't occurred, and for a long time Mr Sanders appeared to be the most likely to win nomination.



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18 Oct 2020, 1:26 am

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It will be interesting to see what the FBI investigation comes up with (It shouldn't take long, in theory) regarding Russian interference related to the sourcing of the emails - Supposedly they have the subpoena'd laptop and are aware of where\who it was subpoena'd from. Of course, it is theoretically possible that long before Mr Biden nominated for his party that a laptop with this information was passed along to the store, but that will be difficult to determine as it occurred 18 months ago. Alternatively, it may have been supplied nearer to December, with the invoice being "back dated" at the shop, and the FBI being informed of the contents back then, but even that would be a long shot, given the primaries hadn't occurred, and for a long time Mr Sanders appeared to be the most likely to win nomination.

It was reported on tv that the laptop was given to the FBI in December 2019.

So, it seems like the FBI has already finished their investigation.


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18 Oct 2020, 1:46 am

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So, it seems like the FBI has already finished their investigation.


and? why the suspense....if the FBI found something in Hunter Biden's drive and/or emails then why are they sitting on it?