Judges dismiss Trump claims in Georgia, Michigan

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05 Nov 2020, 5:18 pm

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Judges in Georgia and Michigan quickly dismissed Trump campaign lawsuits Thursday, undercutting a campaign legal strategy to attack the integrity of the voting process in states where the result could mean President Donald Trump’s defeat.

Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien, in a call with reporters Thursday morning, said that “every night the president goes to bed with a lead” and every night new votes “are mysteriously found in a sack.”

Trump campaign spokesman Jason Miller said additional legal action was expected and would be focused on giving campaign officials access to where ballots were being counted.

“We will literally be going through every single ballot,” he said of the count in hotly contested Nevada.

Trump’s campaign has also announced that it will ask for a recount in Wisconsin. Stepien previously cited “irregularities in several Wisconsin counties,” without providing specifics.

The Georgia case dealt with concerns about 53 absentee ballots in Chatham County. It was dismissed by a judge after elections officials in the Savannah-area county testified that all of those ballots had been received on time. Campaign officials said earlier they were considering similar challenges in a dozen other counties around the state.

The lawsuits the Trump campaign filed in Michigan and Pennsylvania on Wednesday called for a temporary halt in the counting until it is given “meaningful” access in numerous locations and allowed to review ballots that already have been opened and processed.

The Michigan lawsuit claimed Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, was allowing absentee ballots to be counted without teams of bipartisan observers as well as challengers. Michigan Democrats said the suit was a longshot. Poll watchers from both sides were plentiful Wednesday at one major polling place in question, the TCF Center in Detroit, the AP observed.


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05 Nov 2020, 7:29 pm

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... "We will literally be going through every single ballot",” he said of the count in hotly contested Nevada...
With only 89% of the expected votes counted at this time (a current total of 1,197,064 votes), this means that after the final vote is counted, they will have likely flipped through about 1,345,015 ballots (1,197,064 x 1/.89).  Who is going to do the job, and how will it be financed?  This is just another delaying tactic by the Trump campaign, and will likely not endear the GOP to the citizens of Nevada.



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06 Nov 2020, 1:40 am

A discussion\explanation on a couple of cases:


It is interesting that both these cases were related to allowing "observers" to supervise ballot counting\processing...

Had observers not been allowed to supervise the counting in an election in almost any other country around the world, people would assume there was something underhand occurring, so it is strange that simple things such as this don't seem standard practice in the U.S.A.



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06 Nov 2020, 3:05 am

Trump's lawsuits are as ridiculous and phony as his Presidency. God bless the judges for throwing them out.


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06 Nov 2020, 3:23 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump's lawsuits are as ridiculous and phony as his Presidency. God bless the judges for throwing them out.


Outside of the pavlovian "orange man bad"...What in particular is "ridiculous" or "phony" about the lawsuits?



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06 Nov 2020, 3:33 am

Brictoria wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump's lawsuits are as ridiculous and phony as his Presidency. God bless the judges for throwing them out.


Outside of the pavlovian "orange man bad"...What in particular is "ridiculous" or "phony" about the lawsuits?


There's absolutely nothing underhanded or illegal about the voting. Trump just can't accept the fact that he's losing and will no longer be President. That's what's phony and ridiculous about his lawsuits. And apparently judges in two states agree with me.


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06 Nov 2020, 3:43 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump's lawsuits are as ridiculous and phony as his Presidency. God bless the judges for throwing them out.


Outside of the pavlovian "orange man bad"...What in particular is "ridiculous" or "phony" about the lawsuits?


There's absolutely nothing underhanded or illegal about the voting. Trump just can't accept the fact that he's losing will no longer be President. That's what's phony and ridiculous about his lawsuits. And apparently judges in two states agree with me.


Ah, "Orange man bad" again...

Had you actually looked at what the lawsuits were for, by any chance?

If you had, you may have noticed they are related to observers not being permitted while ballots were opened and counted, which is something almost every other country permits (and which is legislated for in at least one of the states where the observers were prevented from entry), and is very unusual to see being prevented in a "democratic" country.



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06 Nov 2020, 4:02 am

^Complaining about the presidential results from a sitting president is almost unprecedented. Jimmy Carter and other one term presidents who were defeated, didn't threaten lawsuits but gave in gracefully. But Trump cares little for due democratic processes.


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06 Nov 2020, 4:04 am

Brictoria wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump's lawsuits are as ridiculous and phony as his Presidency. God bless the judges for throwing them out.


Outside of the pavlovian "orange man bad"...What in particular is "ridiculous" or "phony" about the lawsuits?


There's absolutely nothing underhanded or illegal about the voting. Trump just can't accept the fact that he's losing will no longer be President. That's what's phony and ridiculous about his lawsuits. And apparently judges in two states agree with me.


Ah, "Orange man bad" again...

Had you actually looked at what the lawsuits were for, by any chance?

If you had, you may have noticed they are related to observers not being permitted while ballots were opened and counted, which is something almost every other country permits (and which is legislated for in at least one of the states where the observers were prevented from entry), and is very unusual to see being prevented in a "democratic" country.


Counting ballots without observers has been done in America since the start, because we don't have a significant history of voter fraud. The very notion of massive voter fraud was charged by the right when trying to keep down the minority vote. Trump joined the same BS chorus. If Trump was winning we wouldn't be hearing any of these charges.


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06 Nov 2020, 4:09 am

envirozentinel wrote:
^Complaining about the presidential results from a sitting president is almost unprecedented. Jimmy Carter and other one term presidents who were defeated, didn't threaten lawsuits but gave in gracefully. But Trump cares little for due democratic processes.

Alternatively, he could be complaining about due democratic processes not being followed, through the prevention of what would normally be an "observed"\transparent action instead taking place behind closed doors (to think, had the observers been allowed in from the start, there wouldn't have been cause for the lawsuits to begin with).

And had the same hapened in Florida, with Mr Biden's team having no access to observe counting, I'd expect him to launch lawsuits over that as well...



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06 Nov 2020, 8:10 am

It’s far from over.

There will be recounts galore over the coming weeks.



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06 Nov 2020, 9:03 am

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06 Nov 2020, 9:21 am

Brictoria wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
^Complaining about the presidential results from a sitting president is almost unprecedented. Jimmy Carter and other one term presidents who were defeated, didn't threaten lawsuits but gave in gracefully. But Trump cares little for due democratic processes.

Alternatively, he could be complaining about due democratic processes not being followed, through the prevention of what would normally be an "observed"\transparent action instead taking place behind closed doors (to think, had the observers been allowed in from the start, there wouldn't have been cause for the lawsuits to begin with).

And had the same hapened in Florida, with Mr Biden's team having no access to observe counting, I'd expect him to launch lawsuits over that as well...


If the President was truly concerned about voter fraud, why has he not called for those issues in all states, including the ones he won? He wants to pick and choose what are problem areas in the voting. He is also trying to put pressure on the Supreme Court to help him, yet they are bound by the Constitution to what they can do.



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06 Nov 2020, 9:36 am

QuantumChemist wrote:
If the President was truly concerned about voter fraud, why has he not called for those issues in all states, including the ones he won? He wants to pick and choose what are problem areas in the voting. He is also trying to put pressure on the Supreme Court to help him, yet they are bound by the Constitution to what they can do.
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If our Demander In Chief wants a recount, then he should demand a recount and examination from every state of all 143,497,869 votes that have been counted so far.

He should pay for it, too.



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06 Nov 2020, 9:38 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s far from over.

There will be recounts galore over the coming weeks.

Usually recounts do not get a different result then the original count. In this case the several different recounts would have to differ from the original for Trump to be reelected.

However this is 2020


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06 Nov 2020, 9:43 am

QuantumChemist wrote:
If the President was truly concerned about voter fraud, why has he not called for those issues in all states, including the ones he won? He wants to pick and choose what are problem areas in the voting. He is also trying to put pressure on the Supreme Court to help him, yet they are bound by the Constitution to what they can do.


He's just so full of himself that he can't believe he's losing.