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13 Aug 2021, 8:09 pm

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yeh, he was one of us. :alien: :alien: :alien: the lesson here is to love the strangers until they are no longer strangers.


Looks like yet another person who died because he was unable to survive what so called normals call society. I'm sure they viewed him as human garbage, a walking problem no one wanted to deal with or own up to. Your empathy for this man looks to be overflowing. Odd in a people said to lack it.

i did not do what i ought to have done for him because i'm not enough of a human being. i should have rescued him and taken him in. was advised by family not to do so. i have the rescuer genes in me, for good or ill. i still can't tell the difference between empathy and sympathy, or which one i had.



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13 Aug 2021, 8:24 pm

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yeh, he was one of us. :alien: :alien: :alien: the lesson here is to love the strangers until they are no longer strangers.


Looks like yet another person who died because he was unable to survive what so called normals call society. I'm sure they viewed him as human garbage, a walking problem no one wanted to deal with or own up to. Your empathy for this man looks to be overflowing. Odd in a people said to lack it.

i did not do what i ought to have done for him because i'm not enough of a human being. i should have rescued him and taken him in. was advised by family not to do so. i have the rescuer genes in me, for good or ill. i still can't tell the difference between empathy and sympathy, or which one i had.


Would he have taken you up on that would be my question.



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13 Aug 2021, 8:25 pm

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yeh, he was one of us. :alien: :alien: :alien: the lesson here is to love the strangers until they are no longer strangers.


Looks like yet another person who died because he was unable to survive what so called normals call society. I'm sure they viewed him as human garbage, a walking problem no one wanted to deal with or own up to. Your empathy for this man looks to be overflowing. Odd in a people said to lack it.

i did not do what i ought to have done for him because i'm not enough of a human being. i should have rescued him and taken him in. was advised by family not to do so. i have the rescuer genes in me, for good or ill. i still can't tell the difference between empathy and sympathy, or which one i had.


Would he have taken you up on that would be my question.

yes, he asked me if he could "flop" in my shed. was advised not to let him. i would likely also have run afoul of homeowners association covenants.



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13 Aug 2021, 8:33 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
yeh, he was one of us. :alien: :alien: :alien: the lesson here is to love the strangers until they are no longer strangers.


Looks like yet another person who died because he was unable to survive what so called normals call society. I'm sure they viewed him as human garbage, a walking problem no one wanted to deal with or own up to. Your empathy for this man looks to be overflowing. Odd in a people said to lack it.

i did not do what i ought to have done for him because i'm not enough of a human being. i should have rescued him and taken him in. was advised by family not to do so. i have the rescuer genes in me, for good or ill. i still can't tell the difference between empathy and sympathy, or which one i had.


Would he have taken you up on that would be my question.

yes, he asked me if he could "flop" in my shed. was advised not to let him. i would likely also have run afoul of homeowners association covenants.


If by shed you mean an outbuilding not built for human habitation then letting someone flop there wouldn't be legal. From these posts he seemed intent on going to college which is why I question would he take you up on it.



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13 Aug 2021, 8:35 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
yeh, he was one of us. :alien: :alien: :alien: the lesson here is to love the strangers until they are no longer strangers.


Looks like yet another person who died because he was unable to survive what so called normals call society. I'm sure they viewed him as human garbage, a walking problem no one wanted to deal with or own up to. Your empathy for this man looks to be overflowing. Odd in a people said to lack it.

i did not do what i ought to have done for him because i'm not enough of a human being. i should have rescued him and taken him in. was advised by family not to do so. i have the rescuer genes in me, for good or ill. i still can't tell the difference between empathy and sympathy, or which one i had.


Would he have taken you up on that would be my question.

yes, he asked me if he could "flop" in my shed. was advised not to let him. i would likely also have run afoul of homeowners association covenants.


If by shed you mean an outbuilding not built for human habitation then letting someone flop there wouldn't be legal. From these posts he seemed intent on going to college which is why I question would he take you up on it.

i am not so certain he understood or comprehended that if he were to have made it out to the sticks where i live, that he'd not really have ready transportation to the nearest college which is a distance away. being homeless is easier to do if you live near civilization. he suffered from disorganized thinking [just like me :alien: ].



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13 Aug 2021, 8:47 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
yeh, he was one of us. :alien: :alien: :alien: the lesson here is to love the strangers until they are no longer strangers.


Looks like yet another person who died because he was unable to survive what so called normals call society. I'm sure they viewed him as human garbage, a walking problem no one wanted to deal with or own up to. Your empathy for this man looks to be overflowing. Odd in a people said to lack it.

i did not do what i ought to have done for him because i'm not enough of a human being. i should have rescued him and taken him in. was advised by family not to do so. i have the rescuer genes in me, for good or ill. i still can't tell the difference between empathy and sympathy, or which one i had.


Would he have taken you up on that would be my question.

yes, he asked me if he could "flop" in my shed. was advised not to let him. i would likely also have run afoul of homeowners association covenants.


If by shed you mean an outbuilding not built for human habitation then letting someone flop there wouldn't be legal. From these posts he seemed intent on going to college which is why I question would he take you up on it.

i am not so certain he understood or comprehended that if he were to have made it out to the sticks where i live, that he'd not really have ready transportation to the nearest college which is a distance away. being homeless is easier to do if you live near civilization. he suffered from disorganized thinking [just like me :alien: ].


If you did take him in the next question would be what now. If he was on SSDI that's not enough to live in CA, and he sounds too sick for a job. Taking care of him would be beyond your capabilities. That's why the US needs a real social welfare system and not the haphazard mess that we have.



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13 Aug 2021, 8:56 pm

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If you did take him in the next question would be what now. If he was on SSDI that's not enough to live in CA, and he sounds too sick for a job. Taking care of him would be beyond your capabilities. That's why the US needs a real social welfare system and not the haphazard mess that we have.

i would have had to become his parent and he would have resented the dickens out of that and of me. he didn't take too well to supervision. and i am no supervisor.



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13 Aug 2021, 9:01 pm

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If you did take him in the next question would be what now. If he was on SSDI that's not enough to live in CA, and he sounds too sick for a job. Taking care of him would be beyond your capabilities. That's why the US needs a real social welfare system and not the haphazard mess that we have.

i would have had to become his parent and he would have resented the dickens out of that and of me. he didn't take too well to supervision. and i am no supervisor.


Then it clearly wouldn't have worked and you shouldn't beat yourself up over it.



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13 Aug 2021, 9:11 pm

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If you did take him in the next question would be what now. If he was on SSDI that's not enough to live in CA, and he sounds too sick for a job. Taking care of him would be beyond your capabilities. That's why the US needs a real social welfare system and not the haphazard mess that we have.

i would have had to become his parent and he would have resented the dickens out of that and of me. he didn't take too well to supervision. and i am no supervisor.


Then it clearly wouldn't have worked and you shouldn't beat yourself up over it.

thank you :heart: his purpose on earth was to remind us that others like him are legion and we barely are aware.



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14 Aug 2021, 5:54 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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If you did take him in the next question would be what now. If he was on SSDI that's not enough to live in CA, and he sounds too sick for a job. Taking care of him would be beyond your capabilities. That's why the US needs a real social welfare system and not the haphazard mess that we have.

i would have had to become his parent and he would have resented the dickens out of that and of me. he didn't take too well to supervision. and i am no supervisor.


Then it clearly wouldn't have worked and you shouldn't beat yourself up over it.

thank you :heart: his purpose on earth was to remind us that others like him are legion and we barely are aware.


If I were him the first thing I would have tried to do is get on Greyhound and move someplace where his money would go further. What did he have to lose? Abandon CA for someplace where you can live indoors on ssdi.



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15 Aug 2021, 8:37 pm

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If I were him the first thing I would have tried to do is get on Greyhound and move someplace where his money would go further. What did he have to lose? Abandon CA for someplace where you can live indoors on ssdi.

he moved all over the country but couldn't find anyplace tenable for him. not able to put down roots anywhere, the soil was just not fertile for him, to use a metaphor. he moved up briefly to my neck of the woods in the great pacific northwest/south puget sound. but it was too cold and wet for him, he was used to the dry warmth of santa cruz NoCal. he tried portland OR with a similar result. he made it all the way across the country somehow, but no luck. he just was not made for this world. very sad.



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16 Aug 2021, 4:19 pm

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If I were him the first thing I would have tried to do is get on Greyhound and move someplace where his money would go further. What did he have to lose? Abandon CA for someplace where you can live indoors on ssdi.

he moved all over the country but couldn't find anyplace tenable for him. not able to put down roots anywhere, the soil was just not fertile for him, to use a metaphor. he moved up briefly to my neck of the woods in the great pacific northwest/south puget sound. but it was too cold and wet for him, he was used to the dry warmth of santa cruz NoCal. he tried portland OR with a similar result. he made it all the way across the country somehow, but no luck. he just was not made for this world. very sad.


All those places are on the Pacific coast where stuff costs a lot. Why not move to the South or rural Midwest where stuff is cheap?



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16 Aug 2021, 7:57 pm

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If I were him the first thing I would have tried to do is get on Greyhound and move someplace where his money would go further. What did he have to lose? Abandon CA for someplace where you can live indoors on ssdi.

he moved all over the country but couldn't find anyplace tenable for him. not able to put down roots anywhere, the soil was just not fertile for him, to use a metaphor. he moved up briefly to my neck of the woods in the great pacific northwest/south puget sound. but it was too cold and wet for him, he was used to the dry warmth of santa cruz NoCal. he tried portland OR with a similar result. he made it all the way across the country somehow, but no luck. he just was not made for this world. very sad.


All those places are on the Pacific coast where stuff costs a lot. Why not move to the South or rural Midwest where stuff is cheap?

southern states/cities are notoriously hard on the homeless.



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22 Aug 2021, 10:28 am

AB, you did right not letting him move in. As you know, I worked with him for several weeks, and he was unable to accept actual productive help from many people. I spoke to several social workers from different agencies and hospitals who did really care and got him set up with some very good access to health care, among other things. SWs who were bending the rules and extending themselves greatly and he did not appreciate it and actively sabotaged help.

He always had a reason for blowing off hard to get medical specialists appointments. Or not to hang on to and take his medications. I sent him some money and when he got it, he took the next bus to Reno, because he needed a vacation.

He wanted to go to college, but was unable to act on clear cause and effect changes that would get him stable enough to do so.

My point here, is not that he was bad or to blame for his mental illness and health issues.

What I am saying is that some people are beyond the help of ordinary people like you and me.


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AB, you did right not letting him move in. As you know, I worked with him for several weeks, and he was unable to accept actual productive help from many people. I spoke to several social workers from different agencies and hospitals who did really care and got him set up with some very good access to health care, among other things. SWs who were bending the rules and extending themselves greatly and he did not appreciate it and actively sabotaged help.

He always had a reason for blowing off hard to get medical specialists appointments. Or not to hang on to and take his medications. I sent him some money and when he got it, he took the next bus to Reno, because he needed a vacation.

He wanted to go to college, but was unable to act on clear cause and effect changes that would get him stable enough to do so.

My point here, is not that he was bad or to blame for his mental illness and health issues.

What I am saying is that some people are beyond the help of ordinary people like you and me.


Why would he not hang on to and take his meds?

You gave him money and he blew it? That's messed up. I'd never send him any more money. He had SSDI.



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22 Aug 2021, 3:05 pm

his brain sabotaged him every step of the way, his frontal lobes let him down, fatally.