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22 Aug 2021, 3:19 pm

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his brain sabotaged him every step of the way, his frontal lobes let him down, fatally.


I've been there. I get that. Thankfully, I had support from my family to get me back on track. Not everyone is that lucky. Too many people fall though the cracks and never have the support to recover. It makes me very sad.


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22 Aug 2021, 3:21 pm

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his brain sabotaged him every step of the way, his frontal lobes let him down, fatally.


I've been there. I get that. Thankfully, I had support from my family to get me back on track. Not everyone is that lucky. Too many people fall though the cracks and never have the support to recover. It makes me very sad.

yes, it is sad that we live in such a disposable culture that we throw away people that are too difficult for us to manage, which is not to say that they are totally unmanageable, just that we haven't figured out quite how.



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22 Aug 2021, 3:26 pm

Unfortunately, we're ruled by people who just have no empathy. They live in a bubble of privilege and wealth.


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22 Aug 2021, 3:59 pm

we're ruled, by and large, by sociopaths. the smart ones always quickly rise to the top, just like the scum in boiling soup.



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22 Aug 2021, 5:03 pm

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we're ruled, by and large, by sociopaths. the smart ones always quickly rise to the top, just like the scum in boiling soup.


He needed professional help clearly.



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22 Aug 2021, 5:05 pm

he needed to live in a nation with an intact community mental health care system as originally envisaged by JFK back in the day. we had something like that until ronnie raygun deliberately tore it apart.



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22 Aug 2021, 5:07 pm

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AB, you did right not letting him move in. As you know, I worked with him for several weeks, and he was unable to accept actual productive help from many people. I spoke to several social workers from different agencies and hospitals who did really care and got him set up with some very good access to health care, among other things. SWs who were bending the rules and extending themselves greatly and he did not appreciate it and actively sabotaged help.

He always had a reason for blowing off hard to get medical specialists appointments. Or not to hang on to and take his medications. I sent him some money and when he got it, he took the next bus to Reno, because he needed a vacation.

He wanted to go to college, but was unable to act on clear cause and effect changes that would get him stable enough to do so.

My point here, is not that he was bad or to blame for his mental illness and health issues.

What I am saying is that some people are beyond the help of ordinary people like you and me.


He was homeless so where did he intend on keeping stuff he needed for assignments and etc? If he was as dirty as some posts I've read then he wouldn't last long in a dorm. Lice, feces everywhere? They would kick him out for sure.



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22 Aug 2021, 5:11 pm

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he needed to live in a nation with an intact community mental health care system as originally envisaged by JFK back in the day. we had something like that until ronnie raygun deliberately tore it apart.


Betchya it was because Ronnie was afraid of ending up in a rubber room in a straight jacket himself.



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22 Aug 2021, 5:12 pm

he unfortunately was suffering from delusions that he was equipped to make a better life for himself. the harder life tried to disillusion him the harder his mind erected walls against such. a tragedy of psychosis.



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22 Aug 2021, 5:14 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
he needed to live in a nation with an intact community mental health care system as originally envisaged by JFK back in the day. we had something like that until ronnie raygun deliberately tore it apart.


Betchya it was because Ronnie was afraid of ending up in a rubber room in a straight jacket himself.

he was always too rich for that, rich and well-connected. he was thoroughly insulated from all the stupid decisions he made.



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22 Aug 2021, 6:22 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
he needed to live in a nation with an intact community mental health care system as originally envisaged by JFK back in the day. we had something like that until ronnie raygun deliberately tore it apart.


Betchya it was because Ronnie was afraid of ending up in a rubber room in a straight jacket himself.

he was always too rich for that, rich and well-connected. he was thoroughly insulated from all the stupid decisions he made.


Scary part is without the post FDR change to the Constitution limiting a President to two terms he probably could have won a third.



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22 Aug 2021, 6:26 pm

Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Axeman wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
he needed to live in a nation with an intact community mental health care system as originally envisaged by JFK back in the day. we had something like that until ronnie raygun deliberately tore it apart.


Betchya it was because Ronnie was afraid of ending up in a rubber room in a straight jacket himself.

he was always too rich for that, rich and well-connected. he was thoroughly insulated from all the stupid decisions he made.


Scary part is without the post FDR change to the Constitution limiting a President to two terms he probably could have won a third.

yes, that is thankful. rather disquieting to have a nation's chief executive asleep at the wheel.



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22 Aug 2021, 8:24 pm

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AB, you did right not letting him move in. As you know, I worked with him for several weeks, and he was unable to accept actual productive help from many people. I spoke to several social workers from different agencies and hospitals who did really care and got him set up with some very good access to health care, among other things. SWs who were bending the rules and extending themselves greatly and he did not appreciate it and actively sabotaged help.

He always had a reason for blowing off hard to get medical specialists appointments. Or not to hang on to and take his medications. I sent him some money and when he got it, he took the next bus to Reno, because he needed a vacation.

He wanted to go to college, but was unable to act on clear cause and effect changes that would get him stable enough to do so.

My point here, is not that he was bad or to blame for his mental illness and health issues.

What I am saying is that some people are beyond the help of ordinary people like you and me.


Why would he not hang on to and take his meds?

You gave him money and he blew it? That's messed up. I'd never send him any more money. He had SSDI.


There were a lot of people over the years who tried to help him, many from WP, who were caring and good friends to him. He was unable to make appropriate decisions.

I knew his problems were beyond my capacity to help. Same for auntblabby and all the rest who helped him.

When you stay overnight in a shelter, you must be out of the shelter all day. If you leave anything at the shelter, it will be gone when you get back. His belongings were more than he could carry. Sometimes he left his meds behind. Sometimes he decided not to take this or that med. I educated him on the importance of taking his medications, but his twisted executive dysfunction would not listen.

Our system for caring for people with mental illness is execrable.


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22 Aug 2021, 11:19 pm

and i know who i blame 100% of that on. :| and it is NOT poor Walter.



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23 Aug 2021, 6:35 pm

Something else to be said: those of us with housing, food to eat, basic medical, maybe even safe streets. It is easy, and more comfortable, to think we have arrived at this place in life out of some special inner quality and our own talents and hard work.

But it’s not. Sure, we can tweak around the edges, but the fact remains that who we our, our sex and gender, race, culture, our access to services and jobs and places to live, are sheer luck.

There, but for the grace of God go I.


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23 Aug 2021, 7:10 pm

too many amuuuricans are so arrogant that even though they were born on third base they think they hit a triple.