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22 Feb 2021, 8:51 pm

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The mother of the US Capitol police officer who died following the riot on January 6 believes that her son succumbed to a fatal stroke - that he was not bludgeoned to death by a fire extinguisher as reported.

Yet more than one month after Officer Brian Sicknick's death on January 7, she has admitted that they are still in the dark as to what exactly caused that catastrophic episode.

Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com Gladys Sicknick, 74, was unequivocal in her assertion that Officer Brian Sicknick was not struck on the head and that as far as the family knows her son had a fatal stroke.

She said, ‘He wasn’t hit on the head no. We think he had a stroke, but we don’t know anything for sure.

‘We’d love to know what happened.'


Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9275449/Mom-Capitol-police-officer-Brian-Sicknick-believes-died-stroke.html



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22 Feb 2021, 8:57 pm

This doesn't mean there wasn't an insurrection at the Capitol on January 6th.



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22 Feb 2021, 9:11 pm

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This doesn't mean there wasn't an insurrection at the Capitol on January 6th.

Can we please stick to the post's subject matter, not try and derail the thread to discuss a different topic...



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22 Feb 2021, 9:23 pm

What would be the impact if Slotnick died of a stroke, instead of by being hit by a fire extinguisher?



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22 Feb 2021, 9:50 pm

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What would be the impact if Slotnick died of a stroke, instead of by being hit by a fire extinguisher?

That's an interesting question...

To begin with, it provides an insight into the media's (and other's) integrity relating to how it is discussed\referenced, both looking forward, as well as with what was reported when the facts around it were (or should have been) known to have been different by those discussing it.

Given, according to the article:
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In fact, the very day that The New York Times account ran, Sicknick’s own brother, Ken, spoke with ProPublica and said that his brother had been in good spirits and had texted him after returning to the department.

He said, ‘He texted me last night and said, “I got pepper-sprayed twice,” and he was in good shape.’

That same day, January 8, Sicknick’s father, Charles, 81, told Reuters that on January 7, as they rushed from their homes in New Jersey to DC, the family were told that Sicknick had a blood clot on his brain and had suffered a stroke. He was being kept alive on a ventilator but was dead by the time they got there.

Yet these few publicly available facts were bulldozed over by political fervor and it was the unattributed account of a brutal attack, also reported by the Associated Press, that gained traction.


It also demonstrates the way many people rush to judgement, ignoring available but inconvenient facts, in order to push false narratives...



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22 Feb 2021, 9:56 pm

Are the medical records saying that the blood clot caused a stroke, or that a stroke caused a blood clot?
I thought a head injury caused by a deliberate strike by a fire extinguisher was witnessed and possibly photographed?
I appreciate this being clarified and the truth being told..I had no idea that there was any doubt that he was murdered.


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22 Feb 2021, 10:23 pm

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Are the medical records saying that the blood clot caused a stroke, or that a stroke caused a blood clot?
I thought a head injury caused by a deliberate strike by a fire extinguisher was witnessed and possibly photographed?
I appreciate this being clarified and the truth being told..I had no idea that there was any doubt that he was murdered.


According to the article, there was no evidence to support claims he was even struck by an extinguisher:
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CNN report that investigators are ‘vexed’ by a lack of evidence and that medical examiners have found no sign of blunt force trauma.


This would have been known well in advance of being reported (whether disseminated by medical staff\family members, I don't know)...It looks like it was not this officer who had the extinguisher thrown at them, or if it was the same officer, it did not make contact with his head.

Considering he mentioned being sprayed with pepper spray twice, but didn't mention getting hit in the head with an object like a fire extinguisher when texting a family member, nor was there any problem when he returned to his division department later in the day, it seems probably (not certain) that he was not the officer photographed.

As a side note, until this article came up, I hadn't been aware of all this information (I had heard some time ago from various sources that he wasn't hit in the head with an extinguisher, but that was all I knew)...The fact the information was known, but not published by the media is certainly disappointing. Their lack of efforts to clear up misconceptions that they caused through not providing accurate, timely information certainly doesn't reflect well upon them, either.



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22 Feb 2021, 10:29 pm

Dear Brictoria,
Your last paragraph is perfect; exactly how I feel!
This is the first I heard that there was any doubt at all regarding the first media accounts.
Except for the videos, how much of what we were told might be exaggerations?
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19 Apr 2021, 4:29 pm

Well, It seems like there is finally an answer - 3 months after the event:

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The D.C. medical examiner's office ruled Monday that Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who was injured during the Jan. 6 insurrection, suffered a stroke and died from natural causes.
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But the determination of a natural cause of death means the medical examiner found that a medical condition alone caused his death — it was not brought on by an injury. The determination is likely to significantly inhibit the ability of federal prosecutors to bring homicide charges in connection with Sicknick’s death.

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/medical-examiner-capitol-officer-died-of-natural-causes/ar-BB1fPstV



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19 Apr 2021, 4:41 pm

While correlation may not imply causation, there are times when correlation points its finger while quietly mouthing the words, "Look at this".  There is no doubt that the coup attempt by Trump's devoted followers contributed to inducing the stroke that caused Mr. Sicknick's death, whether or not he was actually struck in the head.

The Media reported what it was told by "eyewitnesses" -- the most reliable of which were also members of Trump's own goonsquad (68% of whom have confessed to having mental illnesses).

However, this news does nothing to change the facts that: (1) Donald Trump incited a coup attempt on January 6th to overthrow the results of a fair and honest election in which he lost; AND (2) A lot of snowflakes are still having meltdowns because they cannot prove otherwise.



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19 Apr 2021, 4:43 pm

So who did get hit in the head with a fire extinguisher? :?


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19 Apr 2021, 4:49 pm

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So who did get hit in the head with a fire extinguisher? :?
You tell me.

 Link to NON-YouTube video. 



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19 Apr 2021, 4:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
So who did get hit in the head with a fire extinguisher? :?
You tell me.

 Link to NON-YouTube video. 


That's what I mean, it's undeniable that some cop got beaned with a fire extinguisher. If it wasn't Sicknick, who was it? Unless they don't recall.


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19 Apr 2021, 4:54 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
So who did get hit in the head with a fire extinguisher? :?
You tell me.

 Link to NON-YouTube video. 
That's what I mean, it's undeniable that some cop got beaned with a fire extinguisher. If it wasn't Sicknick, who was it? Unless they don't recall.
I guess that all we can hope for now is that the Trumpoids who threw the fire extinguisher will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and not be acquitted on technicalities or the usual Republican backroom deals.



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19 Apr 2021, 6:45 pm

Sylkat wrote:
Dear Brictoria,
Your last paragraph is perfect; exactly how I feel!
This is the first I heard that there was any doubt at all regarding the first media accounts.
Except for the videos, how much of what we were told might be exaggerations?
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19 Apr 2021, 7:16 pm

If only someone credible could lecture us about objectivity instead of a poster who only ever relies on Rupert Murdoch's partisan spin networks.


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