Black Lives Matter plan to 'completely dismantle' society

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They feel that black people are not thriving under Capitalism, so they want to change to a different system.

Right, but altering our economic system wouldn't inherently dismantle society, especially because at best they would be consulting other people on how to proceed.

And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.

capitalism only works for ableist capitalists, everybody else is just a wage slave under that system.

Black Lives Matter isn't actually about black lives though is it? And I don't see how somehow going into an Anarchist state with no ability to implement discrimination laws is somehow going to help stop discrimination. In the world that BLM want to create, shooting people for being black will actually be legal.

in reality . half the problems of the world have roots in capitalism . there are big differences in advancing wealth and destruction of soceity . the money system collapse would benefit the average person much greater than it would banking systems for example .

as somebody stated previously . a organisation such as BLM is removed from the actual end goal .

Some observations:

1.) I had posted earlier that, in the name of civility, WP should ban links to "news" organizations connected in any way with the Murdoch Organization. So Sky News is technically not associated with Murdoch/NewsCorp but the connection is still obvious. The fact they aren't is in itself a red flag (the whole "plausible deniability" thing). It seems every Sky News article to which WP posters link is provocative. BTW when I looked at the site, I saw they have an article in which Mike Pompeo is cited as a source of information concerning the origins of the novel Coronavirus in Wuhan. Who in their right mind would go to him for an opinion?
2.) The actual gist of the article is claims made by a YouTube "journalist" named Ami Horowitz who spoke to people associated with BLM (I didn't try to determine how each is related to the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation) and drew a conclusion that validated the opinions he already espoused. Now I am going to make a claim I should be ashamed of, but from this person's name I would assume he's an Orthodox Jew and there seems to be a trend for Orthodox Jews on YouTube to promote blatantly Right-Wing points of view. BTW my wife is Jewish and she and I have no political disagreements I can think of. Orthodox Jews are to most American Jews as Evangelical Christians are to Mainstream Christians. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bernie Sanders, for example, would have the same observation as I.
2a.) What I said above does NOT by any means apply to all orthodox Jews!

I thought I had a 3rd point to make but I must have covered it in the first two.

So a more honest subject line for this would have possibly been "YouTube 'Journalist' interviews BLM activists and arrives at a conclusion that he presents as 'fact'".

BTW just how mainstream is Sky News in Australia? Is it a broadcast network, cable, or purely web-based? I am curious how widespread its influence is in Australia. One reason is that I see a great many similar things posted on WP by Australians. Similar things are also posted by Americans, British, and Canadians but the trend seems especially strong with Australians and those Australians come across to me as less marginalized in general, so I have to ask how mainstream these points of view are in Australia.

While not knowing the credibility of the filmmaker that the founders of BLM and some current interpreters of CRT are marxist influenced revolutionaries have been reported elsewhere. Circumstantial evidence of the tactics being used seem to confirm this. The problem is that “Black Lives Matter” is a very effective slogan. It has meant the vast majority of people drawn to the movement are not revolutionaries and opposing the movement makes you seem racist. Wokes ask you not to take “defund the police” literally while claiming that any non literal interpretation of what the movesment stands for makes you a sheep or a racist or both.

Just like the Civil Rights movement or the Anti-Vietnam War movement, the vast majority of participants are not activists and activists tend to be more "extreme". Sometimes we need such "extremists" to get anything useful done, consider those who signed the Declaration of Independence — I submit that those people were far more "extreme" in their views than the average American but they put themselves on the line and independence happened. How good a thing that was when considered in retrospect is another debate, but I believe most Americans today believe it was a good thing.

Does anyone else remember the Black Panther Party?

No?

Does anyone at all really think that Black Lives Matter will still be remembered in 50 years?

I remember the Black Panther Party. Well most people alive today are simply too young to remember, but it's entirely possible the reason our society as a whole might not remember is that we haven't made any effort to preserve their memory. I think I understand their objectives, even if some were misguided, better today than I did as a young person at the time. I don't think white people in those days had reason to actually fear the Black Panthers but most probably did. It's quite possible the Panthers didn't fully understand that.

Also, I don't recall having been taught about the Underground Railroad as a school boy either, as we hadn't preserved our memory of that. I guess you have to decide which movements are worth remembering and which aren't.

Yes I remember them as have many others. Blank Panther Party Symbolism and slogans have been used in hip hop for years. Most notably during Beyonce’s 2016 Superbowl Halftime performance when performers wore berets and did the raised fist black power salute popularized by the party. A movie where they are central to the story “Judas and the Black Messiah” nominated for an Oscar for best picture this year.

How The Black Panther Party Inspired a New Generation of Activists


While a lot of history was whitewashed we were taught about the underground railroad.

Predicting how current events will be viewed in 50 years is fraught but I will do it anyway.
I predict BLM and the general events following the murder of George Floyd will still be a big deal. Antifa will be a footnote if they are remembered at all.

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It seems people still have a problem differentiating the cause of "Black live matter" from the organisation of the same name.

Just because an organisation has a particular name doesn't mean that the organisation's aims will align with the cause that shares its name.

Similarly, critisism of the organisation is not the same as critisism of the "cause", but it seem many are unable to understand this.

I believe much criticism of the organization is intended to confuse its audience and lead them to conflate the two (the organization and the cause). The objective is to spread the idea that "BLM <=> terrorism" The video to which the OP linked is an example.

The video is just another example supporting the underlying arguments of BLM that systemic racism is really being perpetuated by the people it most benefits.

Actually it is.