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Diamonddavej
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13 Aug 2007, 12:21 pm

Karl Rove quits...

"President Bush can no longer chew gum and walk at the same time" says While House aid.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2147904,00.html



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13 Aug 2007, 12:23 pm

Did he ever have a brain?


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13 Aug 2007, 1:38 pm

Hallelua!
Countdown to Rove's Leaving: 17 Days & Counting!


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13 Aug 2007, 2:00 pm

/dances

now all we need is rid of the other genocidal nutters in the whitehouse, hope its cheney next!



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13 Aug 2007, 2:10 pm

Dick Cheney is a robot so how can he be rid of?


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13 Aug 2007, 2:12 pm

I don’t think such thing as democracy exists. What is called “democracy” is the result of pluralism and articulation in the fabric of society. And the more a society is prosperous and rich, the more there must be these procedural rules in political decision making which make up for what is called democracy . But all this has been caricatured and made grotesque with this man Rove leading a group of oligarchs (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, with the figleaf of Colin Powell) to get hold for eight years of the buttons room to plunge the US (and the world) in a nightmare with no real end in sight.

I have posted this in the NYT.


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13 Aug 2007, 2:46 pm

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Dick Cheney is a robot so how can he be rid of?


I can't believe nobody has thought to throw a bucket of water over him yet.



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13 Aug 2007, 2:49 pm

Watch this (apologies if it upsets people). I edited this vid from the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares and another vid I found on youtube. Its only has 138 hits, it deserves more.

History repeats itself - compare Rumsfeld speaking in 1976 and Bush etc. in 2002-03... very similar language, almost seems they read the same book, titled..."How to scare people to the point they allow you to go to war."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg2q6ZofewM[/youtube]



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13 Aug 2007, 3:26 pm

Bush is a puppet, Bush is an idiot, Bush is a monkey, Bush is an evil genius, Bush is Hitler...

Rove is pulling the strings, Cheney is a puppet, Cheney is pulling the strings, Rove is in charge, Cheney is in charge...

Geez, the imaginings of people in the pathological Bush hatred camp would confuse even Orwell. :roll:

Personally, I believe Bush to be a lot more intelligent than most people give him credit for, but he's just very miserable at public speaking and getting his point across, and would rather just read what Rove gives him. (He very likely could be Aspie.) He stammers, stumbles and misspeaks. (He's actually far better when it seems he's speaking off the cuff and with personal passion about something, he should do that more often but he seems unsure of himself.) He's missed or muffed dozens of opportunities to "sell" the current occupation better and out-propagandize the liberal media... but even with Rove - a supposed propaganda mastermind, if you believe the left - giving him his talking points he just can't get his point across well. He is, has never been and will never be the Great Communicator that Reagan was. Sadly.

I also believe he's a lot more "in charge" than his detractors think, or wish to portray him as. Which is maddeningly frustrating because he tends to be very inflexible once he's made up his mind - even if he's 100% wrong, like his "open borders" stance, he won't budge from his position. That can sometimes be a strength, as he's unswayed by "popular opinion" and less likely to be blown by every whim of the people - a trait of a good leader - but it can also be a crippling weakness. And it is, in his case.

I'm a Republican, and while I don't hate Bush, I am quite disappointed in a lot of his stances.


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13 Aug 2007, 6:23 pm

Love the use of the Fleetwood Mac track. Little Lies, yes.

Rove MacManus would be more believable than Karl Rove, and Bush has had more hands up his back than Gerry Gee.

Matter of fact, substitute Rumsfeld and Bush with Custer at Little Big Horn, Washington at Valley Forge, and even Macarthur during the Second World War, and you'll find they are ALL reading from the same book... "How to con the people while trying not to make ourselves out to be totally insane'.

American Democracy = World Domination.


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13 Aug 2007, 6:33 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Love the use of the Fleetwood Mac track. Little Lies, yes.

Rove MacManus would be more believable than Karl Rove, and Bush has had more hands up his back than Gerry Gee.

Matter of fact, substitute Rumsfeld and Bush with Custer at Little Big Horn, Washington at Valley Forge, and even Macarthur during the Second World War, and you'll find they are ALL reading from the same book... "How to con the people while trying not to make ourselves out to be totally insane'.

American Democracy = World Domination.


You're a conspiracy nut arent you?


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13 Aug 2007, 6:50 pm

wiggerbeater wrote:
You're a conspiracy nut arent you?

Called it in one. :roll:


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13 Aug 2007, 8:35 pm

No, a realist who can see through the bovine and equine excrement that is the US political system.

We may have our problems here, but at least we don't have a bunch of wackos and psychos in charge of the asylum.


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13 Aug 2007, 8:59 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:
No, a realist who can see through the bovine and equine excrement that is the US political system.

We may have our problems here, but at least we don't have a bunch of wackos and psychos in charge of the asylum.


Where do you live? Is this the same realist who said Lee Harvey Oswald couldnt have possibly made that shot? :roll:


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13 Aug 2007, 11:00 pm

Australia, and yes I did say that. He was a CIA plant and a hopeless marksman. Marines thought he was a joke, and the CIA thought he would make the perfect Patsy. That's why they had Dealey Plaza set up in triangular fire to make it look like it was Oswald. Funny thing is, the Zupruder (sp) film clearly shows the shot that killed Kennedy coming from the front left of the car, because Kennedy's head rocks backwards with the impact. Had Oswald have hit him, the bullet would have come from the rear right, and he would have slumped forward. He was shot through the left temple, and the exit wound came through the rear right of his head. The governor was shot by the other gunman on the 2nd floor of the other building, and Oswald's shot would have been lucky to hit the car. The police were too busy trampling over evidence in their rush to get Oswald, and didn't bother looking for Badgeman or the other guy. Besides, a blind man somewhere near the exit to the car park near the knoll clearly heard the closer gunshot and the running footsteps, but his evidence wasn't taken into account. The Warren Commission tried to rule on the magic bullet as fact; how could it? Damn near impossible for a bullet to ricochet off that many places, especially human tissue. CIA did their job, got rid of someone they saw as a threat to world peace (Cuban missile crisis) and paved the way for even more insanity.
As I said, bovine excremental political system; also, how can it truly be representational of the populace when you don't have compulsory voting? Freedom not to voice your opinion at the ballot box? More like freedom to show apathy.


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14 Aug 2007, 1:20 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Australia, and yes I did say that. He was a CIA plant and a hopeless marksman. Marines thought he was a joke, and the CIA thought he would make the perfect Patsy. That's why they had Dealey Plaza set up in triangular fire to make it look like it was Oswald. Funny thing is, the Zupruder (sp) film clearly shows the shot that killed Kennedy coming from the front left of the car, because Kennedy's head rocks backwards with the impact. Had Oswald have hit him, the bullet would have come from the rear right, and he would have slumped forward. He was shot through the left temple, and the exit wound came through the rear right of his head. The governor was shot by the other gunman on the 2nd floor of the other building, and Oswald's shot would have been lucky to hit the car. The police were too busy trampling over evidence in their rush to get Oswald, and didn't bother looking for Badgeman or the other guy. Besides, a blind man somewhere near the exit to the car park near the knoll clearly heard the closer gunshot and the running footsteps, but his evidence wasn't taken into account. The Warren Commission tried to rule on the magic bullet as fact; how could it? Damn near impossible for a bullet to ricochet off that many places, especially human tissue. CIA did their job, got rid of someone they saw as a threat to world peace (Cuban missile crisis) and paved the way for even more insanity.
As I said, bovine excremental political system; also, how can it truly be representational of the populace when you don't have compulsory voting? Freedom not to voice your opinion at the ballot box? More like freedom to show apathy.


LOL. And where is all your evidence of this nonsense? An Oliver Stone movie? And you have some balls criticizing the US so much, when your government has FOLLOWED us into Vietnam and Iraq. Plus we basically saved your country from the Japanese whiping it off the map.

That shot couldnt ricochet and hit like that huh? There have been scientific experiements that say otherwise:

A Discovery Channel special Unsolved History: JFK — Beyond the Magic Bullet attempted to replicate, as well as possible, the conditions of that day. The participants set up blocks of ballistics gel with a substance similar to human bone inside. These studies showed that largely undeformed bullets were possible to produce, if they were slowed by a passage though a tissue-like substance before striking bone. Next, two mannequin figures made of ballistic anatomical substances (animal skin, gelatin, and interior bone-like cast) were set up in the exact relative position of JFK and Connally. A marksman, from a distance equal to that of the sixth floor of the book depository building, fired the same rifle model found in the Book Depository, using a round from the same batch of the same "Western Case Cartridge Company" 6.5x52 mm ammunition purchased with the surplus Carcano weapon in early 1963 (and three expended brass and one live round from which, had been found with the Carcano, in the book depository Nov. 22, 1963). The path of their single bullet (followed by high speed photography) duplicated, almost exactly, the wounds suffered by the victims that day, the only difference being that the bullet did not quite have enough energy to penetrate the "thigh" substance in front of the Connally figure, due to striking an extra bone in the "rib" model (i.e., it fractured 2 ribs in the model vs. one rib in Connally). It was also slightly more deformed than CE 399, possibly for the same reason. However, this bullet came close enough to duplicating all wounds in both men with a single shot, with a bullet having little deformation.

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In 1993 a computer animator named Dale Myers embarked on a 10-year project to completely render the events of November 22nd in 3D computer animation. His results were shown as part of ABC's documentary The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy in 2003, and won an Emmy award.

To render his animation, Myers took photographs, home footage, blueprints and plans, and used them to create arguably the most accurate computer re-creation of events to that time. His work was assessed by Z-Axis who have been involved in producing computer generated animations of events, processes and concepts for major litigations in the United States and Europe. (They participated in most of major air crash litigations in the U.S. over the past 15 years including the crash of Delta Air Lines Flight 191 in Dallas, the crash of USAir Flight 427 in Pittsburgh, the crash of American 965 in Cali, Colombia and the crash of Korean Air 801 in Guam. They also performed work for the prosecution in the Oklahoma City bombing trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. [27])

Their assessment concluded that Myers' animation allowed the assassination sequence to be viewed "from any point of view with absolute geometric integrity" and that they "believe that the thoroughness and detail incorporated into his work is well beyond that required to present a fair and accurate depiction." [28]

Myers' animation found that the bullet wounds were completely consistent with JFK's and Governor Connally's positions at the time of shooting, and that by following the bullet's trajectory backwards could be found to have originated from a narrow cone including only a few windows of the sixth floor of the School Book Depository, one of which was the sniper's nest of boxes from which the rifle barrel had been seen protruding by witnesses.

You are a classic CT'er. With total laymen views of the subject. The bullet couldnt do that because you dont think it could. In your expert opinion of course. Just like his head couldnt have moved forward, because that's not what happens when people get shot. Again, like you are qualified to say that.


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