Australian schools allowed to expel trans students

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30 Jan 2022, 6:07 pm

In another post people expressed surprise that trans students and teachers are permitted to be expelled in religious schools in Australia.

This article published today supports this privilege religious schools have,
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/paren ... 3e1b08849d

And this is the tip of the iceberg. There's plenty of other spurious reasons these types of schools hire/fire staff and not permit certain "types" of students from enrolling. That includes autism of course,



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31 Jan 2022, 12:17 am

I'm not sure how schools work in Oz, but is this like a private school that gets to set their own rules vs a public school that has to take everyone?


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31 Jan 2022, 12:24 am

^ its a private school.
And they're within their rights to exclude whomever they choose.


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31 Jan 2022, 12:49 am

Nemesis2k7 wrote:
never heard of students not being allowed to enroll due to autism.


In private schools they strongly recommend the student not enrol if they show any sign of "weirdness". When a parent asks why? the school says they are unable to provide any special assistance or learning assistants. This eliminates most parents who's kids need this type of support.

Then if the parents fork out their own money (on top of the exorbitant fees) for a learning assistant and therapists and the kid still misbehaves then they keep suspending the student in order to "protect" the other kids/and or teacher. Eventually the kids spends more time being home schooled and eventually the parents move school.

How do I know? it happened to my daughter in pre-primary.



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31 Jan 2022, 12:53 am

Dox47 wrote:
I'm not sure how schools work in Oz, but is this like a private school that gets to set their own rules vs a public school that has to take everyone?


Yeah these are private schools and frankly I don't mind if they are legally allowed to only permit wealthy people with an IQ > 140 who can play classical violin/piano and are training to be olympic athletes. That seems to be whom they want.

My problem is why I as a taxpayer are subsidising the children of multi-millionaires to go to these elite institutions? they should be self-funded.



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31 Jan 2022, 12:57 am

These news stories really annoy me.
These children aren't being denied an education because of being trans or gay.
They're being denied an education at an exclusive, Christian, private school because they're trans or gay.
So only the super rich Christian trans and gay kids who want to enrol at that particular school will be denied an education.
And if you want a Christian education, you have to accept that some schools will enforce stricter entry requirements than others.
The sensible thing would be to find a school where these things are accepted.
Otherwise it's a case of trying to turn the pope Protestant.


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31 Jan 2022, 1:05 am

Raleigh wrote:
And if you want a Christian education, you have to accept that some schools will enforce stricter entry requirements than others.t.


You reckon all the Asian tiger parents want "good christian values" sending their kids to these schools? they are buddhists or hindus. In some private schools 90% of the kids are asian and most of these aren't christian.

They want the "best" schools so flash their cash and their kids are in like Flyn. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm a bit cynical about schools getting all twisted up about a child's gender on the basis of their "christian" values.



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31 Jan 2022, 1:38 am

^ I'm well aware of what the parents want.
I was merely commenting on the hysteria in the article itself.


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31 Jan 2022, 2:52 am

My god, kids don't just decide to be trans, they already are the gender they are. No one teaches them they are male or female. They already know what they are. Some just grow up feeling weird about their gender and being referred to he or she. And I think kids are coming out sooner as trans because we understands it more and there is information out there now so these kids have the access to that information. Back in the days, they didn't have that information so they were left alone with their feelings or thought it was normal and that everyone felt that way about their gender. And trans kids are not operated on and they are given puberty blockers. Nothing wrong with letting them live the gender they feel.

Thinking that you can turn a kid into trans was the same argument people used in the 1990s that you can turn a kid gay if you "expose them to the lifestyle."


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31 Jan 2022, 5:06 am

League_Girl wrote:
My god, kids don't just decide to be trans, they already are the gender they are. No one teaches them they are male or female. They already know what they are. Some just grow up feeling weird about their gender and being referred to he or she. And I think kids are coming out sooner as trans because we understands it more and there is information out there now so these kids have the access to that information. Back in the days, they didn't have that information so they were left alone with their feelings or thought it was normal and that everyone felt that way about their gender. And trans kids are not operated on and they are given puberty blockers. Nothing wrong with letting them live the gender they feel.

Thinking that you can turn a kid into trans was the same argument people used in the 1990s that you can turn a kid gay if you "expose them to the lifestyle."

It's worth noting that this is precisely the only reason christian and other types of religious schools choose to discriminate against LGBTQI students. Some weird distorted belief their own kids will start cross-dressing or become gay. So dumb.

Even dumber is the idea you can cure gayness :roll:

The basis of this discrimination is just as bad as signing a contract saying no black, disabled or communists can be students or teachers at this school



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31 Jan 2022, 2:29 pm

I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion here, but maybe private schools, just, shouldn't exist?



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31 Jan 2022, 3:23 pm

I believe there are certain private and religious schools which offset the incompetence of some of the public schools within areas where public schools are underfunded, or are run by corrupt people.



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31 Jan 2022, 3:35 pm

There are some private schools where no one (teachers or students of any gender) is allowed to colour their hair or wear a smidge of makeup. Some where you can't have piercings including regular earrings. My friend worked in a Catholic public school and couldn't even tell her boss that she got divorced because it was taboo. Then she had to hide living with her new partner before they got married (taboo to live together, and to have a second spouse). She refrained from changing her name to the second husband's name so that her boss wouldn't catch on.

Something about being a moral example.

* pfft *


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31 Jan 2022, 3:47 pm

Teachers in both public and private schools often don't set good "moral" examples.

In my junior high, the kids were always gossiping about the affairs of the teachers.....



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31 Jan 2022, 4:09 pm

Barchan wrote:
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion here, but maybe private schools, just, shouldn't exist?


I think let them exist. They were originally created to service the children of their parishes. However, they should be self-funded. But even then I am actually not even sure how private schools don't breach current legislation on anti-discrimination?

Technically in workplaces, government and community you can't do this so how come schools get away with this?