Chernobyl Power Plant Captured By Russian Forces

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24 Feb 2022, 5:39 pm

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chernobyl-power-plant-captured-by-russian-forces-ukrainian-official-2022-02-24/


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24 Feb 2022, 6:27 pm

Smart move. Desperate Ukrainian regime could play a dead man's hand and poison much of Europe, in dirty bomb fashion.
This way nuclear fallout won't be a part of ongoing events.
Ukraine doesn't have any other form of nuclear weapon.



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24 Feb 2022, 10:17 pm

I hope Russia realizes that if any leaked radiation follows the same path and trajectory it did in ‘86, it will affect its BFF Belarus more than it will Ukraine.


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25 Feb 2022, 12:36 am

Its like if a gang of burglars breaks into your home, and the first thing that they steal is ...the contents of your septic tank. Theyre on their way to ransacking the rest of your home, but why they value that first thing they stole is not obvious.



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25 Feb 2022, 12:00 pm

Most likely it was the easiest thing to take.There is a huge inclusion zone and it’s sparsely populated.Less resistance, best place to get your foot firmly lodged in the door.
I doubt the Ukrainian people would use the site for a “ dirty bomb”, they love their homeland.More likely Putin would pull a stunt like that of things don’t go his way.He does like the nuke word and poisoning people.


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25 Feb 2022, 12:29 pm

It's simply the easiest way from Belarussian border to Kiev - short, sparsely populated, hard to protect. The plant itself is unlikely to play any actual role at this moment, other than discouraging bombardments there.


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25 Feb 2022, 3:05 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Its like if a gang of burglars breaks into your home, and the first thing that they steal is ...the contents of your septic tank. Theyre on their way to ransacking the rest of your home, but why they value that first thing they stole is not obvious.


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25 Feb 2022, 5:57 pm

txfz1 wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Its like if a gang of burglars breaks into your home, and the first thing that they steal is ...the contents of your septic tank. Theyre on their way to ransacking the rest of your home, but why they value that first thing they stole is not obvious.


It powers central North Ukraine. — Malcolm Nance

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That plant has been shut down for several years now. There's a lot of material on the territory still that could be used for nefarious purposes.



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25 Feb 2022, 6:20 pm

But what does Putin really want with Chernobyl? :?

Bring it back online to destroy not only Ukraine, but also countries like Ukraine? :x


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25 Feb 2022, 6:25 pm

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But what does Putin really want with Chernobyl? :?

Bring it back online to destroy not only Ukraine, but also countries like Ukraine? :x

No, he's securing the site and the material so the desperate losing side won't make dirty bombs with it. There will likely be insurgency after the main armed conflict is over. If some of the material escapes it could be used in an attack on Russian territory or elsewhere in Europe.



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25 Feb 2022, 7:55 pm

r00tb33r wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
But what does Putin really want with Chernobyl? :?

Bring it back online to destroy not only Ukraine, but also countries like Ukraine? :x

No, he's securing the site and the material so the desperate losing side won't make dirty bombs with it. There will likely be insurgency after the main armed conflict is over. If some of the material escapes it could be used in an attack on Russian territory or elsewhere in Europe.


^^^ Yep, this sounds logical



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26 Feb 2022, 2:45 am

cyberdad wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
But what does Putin really want with Chernobyl? :?

Bring it back online to destroy not only Ukraine, but also countries like Ukraine? :x

No, he's securing the site and the material so the desperate losing side won't make dirty bombs with it. There will likely be insurgency after the main armed conflict is over. If some of the material escapes it could be used in an attack on Russian territory or elsewhere in Europe.


^^^ Yep, this sounds logical
Nope. If Ukrainians were such an evil regime, they would have done this years ago - they didn't and never planned to.

It's the shortest route from Belarus to Kiev, sparsely populated, overgrown by forests and protected from air strikes and artillery by a threat of unintentional dirty bomb. Perfect place for forces attacking Kiev.


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26 Feb 2022, 3:52 am

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Nope. If Ukrainians were such an evil regime

Let me interrupt you right there for a fact check. Here's an easy example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion#Ideology
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Country: Ukraine
Branch: National Guard of Ukraine
Type: Infantry
Role: Gendarmerie, national security.
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a far-right militia with connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia and expressing neo-Nazi views
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Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world's only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces
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Azov's founding member Andryi Biletsky, leader of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly (SNA) made statements about a "historic mission" to lead the "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival ... a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen", an ideology he traces to the National Integralism of 1920s and '30s.
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In June 2015, the Canadian defence minister declared that Canadian forces would not provide training or support to Azov Battalion. In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives also passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connections.

It is internationally recognized that Nazis are part of the current Ukrainian government structure. There have been considerations to classify this military unit is as a state-sponsored terrorist organization, but so far the effort has been subdued due to the West's bolstering of Ukraine for political reasons.

Now, Nazis are evil. Terrorists are evil. You were saying?

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they would have done this years ago - they didn't and never planned to.

I think that statement ignores the real reasons. Ukraine is not a nuclear state and is not allowed to be a nuclear state. Had they done that, and if it was ever discovered, NATO themselves would have come and cored them out of the ass like a pineapple.

Now, with the fall of the government, fringe groups like the above Azov thugs running free and menacing everything around just might deliver such a device as an act of vendetta.

One can have sympathy for the innocent civilians, but it's just not possible to make arguments in favor of the Nazi-harboring Ukrainian government.



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26 Feb 2022, 3:56 am

So, you think allowing some militia to wear neo-nazi regalia is more of a crime than invading a country?

And if Poland was attacked, would you also dig up the ultranationalist groups from our Independence Marches and the fact that our current government tolerates and even enables them?
I want to point out that neo-Nazi are also tolerated in the US - should we invade US for it?


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26 Feb 2022, 3:58 am

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So, you think allowing some militia to wear neo-nazi regalia is more of a crime than invading a country?

No, I don't make that argument. You make it sound so innocent you should have been a defense lawyer. :lol:

...of course they've been documented to do a bit more than wear patches.



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26 Feb 2022, 4:02 am

Well, I strongly believe that one does not need to be a saint to deserve protection from abuse - otherwise no one would get any - and being invaded is as much of abuse on national level as possible.

Ukraine in all its recent history did nothing indicating trying to use Chernobyl for sinister reasons, they were leading international cooperation to keep the sarcophagus safe, letting all the world look at their hands.

But Chernobyl is a very useful position for attacking Kiev. That's all.


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