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05 Mar 2022, 3:32 am

The standard of journalistic reporting on Ukraine has been sometimes abysmal
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ge-ukraine
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-03-02/A ... index.html

Cause and effect. Anyone surprised African countries are "rushing" to support Russia
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/worl ... frica.html


Even American Comedians think it's pathetic



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05 Mar 2022, 3:42 am

1. You should have seen Russian TV right now... or better not or you may be ready to believe black is white and white is black :P 15 years in jail for publishing information not in agreement with Kremlin enables Kremlin to tell pretty whatever - which they do.

2. "Rush of African countries"?
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The picture above is the UN vote to rebuke the Russian invasion of Ukraine and call Moscow to immediately withdraw all forces from Ukraine.

Five countries voted against: Russia, Belarus, North Korea, Syria and Eritrea.
All are authoritarian, two of them are the agressors themselves.


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05 Mar 2022, 4:19 am

Did you read the article I posted and see the youtube videos I posted elsewhere?

Initial African sympathies for Ukraine (incluing your list of 25 countries denouncing Russia) have been diluted by reports of Ukrainian border guards forcing African students to the back of lines as they attempted to leave the country, raising a furor over racism and discrimination. President Muhammadu Buhari of Nigeria, which has 4,000 students in Ukraine, decried the reports.

I posted two youtube videos of governments of South Africa and Rwanda condemning Ukraine for its treatment of its citizens in speeches to the UN security council.

A lot can happen in a week.



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05 Mar 2022, 4:29 am

cyberdad wrote:
A lot can happen in a week.
That at least is true...

Abuses of Ukrainian Border Guard should be investigated and adressed - once we're freaking safe again. You seem completely unaware of the scale of what's just happening here.


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05 Mar 2022, 4:37 am

So that makes the Russian invasion legit?

If Ukraine is so racist and ALL their people are racist as they claim then why many african students even study there?



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05 Mar 2022, 4:42 am

Part of the problem seems to be a history of illegal migration.
Is it racism or simple resentment?



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05 Mar 2022, 4:44 am

cyberdad wrote:
Even American Comedians think it's pathetic




Yeah, I saw such stupid reports, from French, Brits and American reporters. Let's assume all Westerners are nazi and wish for Russia to invade them all. :mrgreen: :|



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05 Mar 2022, 4:53 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Yeah, I saw such stupid reports, from French, Brits and American reporters. Let's assume all Westerners are nazi and wish for Russia to invade them all. :mrgreen: :|


I know that's Putin's (and the separatist) excuse that the Ukrainians are bolstering neo-Nazi units

Of course its a little hard not to take notice when a significant proportion of Zelensky's Ukrainian soldiers are carring this logo
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https://www.ibtimes.com/nazis-ukraine-g ... ls-1682784

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05 Mar 2022, 4:59 am

^^ Now a bunch of nazis parading and a photo of single soldier with a nazi logo on helmet = "a significant proportion of Zelensky's Ukrainian soldiers are carring this logo"

Got it.

As if you Australians don't have neo-nazis. Wasn't it called The Base?



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05 Mar 2022, 5:03 am

Btw in a desperate times (ie. being invaded) for survival, a nation would allow any people willing to fight back…. to fight back, regardless of their ideologies.
The Ukrainian president despite being Jewish doesn’t have the luxury of nitpicking and to be like « hey, you are a nazi lover, you are not allowed to join the resistance », especially when being abandoned by every ally.

Why else you think the Taliban and Hezbollah gained popularity?



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05 Mar 2022, 5:08 am

^ In the states you'd get kicked off the force if you pulled something like that. Not allowed to be associated with hate groups or ideologies.

I'd need to see a state crackdown on that for me to change my mind.

Indeed I've mentioned it before, the Nazis are the most motivated fighters Ukraine has. They're tolerated because Ukraine is too weak without them, but at the cost of the image and the soul of the nation.



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05 Mar 2022, 5:10 am

Hard to be picky when you're fighting for survival.


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05 Mar 2022, 5:13 am

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^ In the states you'd get kicked off the force if you pulled something like that. Not allowed to be associated with hate groups or ideologies.

I'd need to see a state crackdown on that for me to change my mind.

Indeed I've mentioned it before, the Nazis are the most motivated fighters Ukraine has. They're tolerated because Ukraine is too weak without them, but at the cost of the image and the soul of the nation.


In the States you had Trump.

Enough said.



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05 Mar 2022, 5:15 am

Doesn’t Israel use the Ultra-orthodox jews for expanding settlements?

Yeah, it always did. :wink: No sane Israeli would be willing to die for an extra land unless he’s motivated by the bible.



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05 Mar 2022, 6:26 am

cyberdad wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Yeah, I saw such stupid reports, from French, Brits and American reporters. Let's assume all Westerners are nazi and wish for Russia to invade them all. :mrgreen: :|


I know that's Putin's (and the separatist) excuse that the Ukrainians are bolstering neo-Nazi units

Of course its a little hard not to take notice when a significant proportion of Zelensky's Ukrainian soldiers are carring this logo



You say "significant".
Exactly how many is that out of the 44 million Ukrainians?



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05 Mar 2022, 6:27 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ Now a bunch of nazis parading and a photo of single soldier with a nazi logo on helmet = "a significant proportion of Zelensky's Ukrainian soldiers are carring this logo"

Got it.

As if you Australians don't have neo-nazis. Wasn't it called The Base?


Well played. 8)