Senate unanimously approves year round Daylight Saving Time

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15 Mar 2022, 9:25 pm

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The Senate on Tuesday approved a proposal to make daylight saving time permanent, which if passed in the House and signed by President Biden, would mean Americans would never again have to set their clocks back an hour and lose an hour of afternoon daylight in the fall and winter.

If enacted into law, it would also mean that early risers lose an hour of daylight in the mornings in November, December, January and February.

In New York, for example, under current law the sun will rise at 7:15 a.m. on Dec. 21, the shortest day of the year. If the Sunshine Protection Act becomes law, New Yorkers won’t see the sun rise until 8:15 a.m. that day.

On the other hand, instead of the sun setting at 4:31 p.m. in late December, it will set at 5:31 pm — giving people a little more daylight to enjoy in the afternoon.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), the lead sponsor of the proposal, touted an array of benefits to making daylight saving time permanent — from reduced seasonal affective disorder in the late fall and early winter to more daylight for school sports.

“There’s strong science behind it that is now showing and making people aware of the harm that clock switching has, there’s an increase in heart attacks, car accidents and pedestrian accidents,” he said on the Senate floor.

“The benefits of daylight saving time has been accounted for in the research: Reduced crime as there is light later in the day, decrease in seasonal depression that many feel during standard time and the practical one,” he added.

Rubio said it would also give school kids more time to play in the daylight after school.

“I think it is important to delay it until Nov. 20, 2023, because airlines and other transportation has built out a schedule and they asked for a few months to make the adjustment,” he said.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.), the lead Democratic sponsor of the legislation, said its passage would be welcomed by people in his home state.

Most people either were not alive in 1974 or just do not remember what it was like when this was tried due to an energy shortage. The experiment last only two years for a reason. As I wrote when this topic was just a thought
"At this time in my life it makes little difference but when they tried year-round daylight saving time in ‘74 it was dangerous for us students crossing busy intersections to get to school by 8 AM when it was still dark out. Most teenagers are not morning people as it is.

With all due respect to people that live near the poles dawn at 3:30 AM and sunrise at 4:30 as would happen here in June with year round standard time is just not right."

It was scary enough for me that still remember that as if it was yesterday.


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16 Mar 2022, 1:51 am

I remember my mom taking me to school in the dark and not being happy about it.

But as for kids crossing streets in the dark, I did that and road my bicycle at night year round throughout my childhood, without anyone thinking anything of it.



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16 Mar 2022, 5:01 am

I hate time changes, but as a morning person, I’d rather keep it always on standard time. Just my personal preference.


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16 Mar 2022, 10:11 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
I remember my mom taking me to school in the dark and not being happy about it.

But as for kids crossing streets in the dark, I did that and road my bicycle at night year round throughout my childhood, without anyone thinking anything of it.

We were out in the dark in the evenings also but in the morning when me and most of the drivers were still half asleep a the really busy intersection I had to walk across to get to high school with traffic going every which way was not fun.


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16 Mar 2022, 10:32 am

As long as we end the need to change our clocks (and sleep patterns) twice a year, I am for it.

Now to get the House to pass the same measure, and Sleepy Joe to sign it into law.



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16 Mar 2022, 11:27 am

Fnord wrote:
As long as we end the need to change our clocks (and sleep patterns) twice a year, I am for it.

Now to get the House to pass the same measure, and Sleepy Joe to sign it into law.

Twice a year when most of our devices do it automatically is not too much to ask. If you run an antique clock store however.


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16 Mar 2022, 12:20 pm

I don’t care about resetting of clocks. It’s my body that doesn’t like the rests. Takes months to reset.


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16 Mar 2022, 1:22 pm



"Back in the Day," When my Wife Was going to High School,
Sadly, Her Mother Couldn't Afford a Car; And Food And Stuff, A Big

Challenge too...

Lord Knows,
They Couldn't
Afford an Umbrella

And Sadly too Then Children
Who Lived Just A Tenth of a Mile
Less than a Mile Didn't Get Bus

Privileges
And A Ride
Back And Forth to School;

Which Means my Wife Had to
Walk in Freezing Rain, Sleet, And Or Snow;
True Just Like the Mailperson, If She Wanted
To Arrive to School; Yet no Vehicle, Not even

An Umbrella to
Shelter Her Head;

What She Did Have is
Daylight; i Remember
Walking to School in the
Dark Back in the 70's, When
We Got Extra Credit, Day Light Savings
Then for the Oil Shortages At Hand;

No Big Deal Really, Just A Couple
of Blocks to School; Yet A 14 Year
Old Girl, Walking Almost A Mile to School

in Freezing Rain, Sleet, and Or the Rare Snow
in North Florida; True, Not nearly as Difficult

If She Lived

In Maine or
Another
Place of
Long, Long,
Unrelenting
Frozen Winters;

And Even Daylight
of the Day As Well Shorter;

For me, i Suffered Some with
SAD; Yes, Seasonal Affective Disorder;
Sunshine Coming Still After Being in a Cave of A School
or Work With Much Less SAD, Than Dark and Depressing
Dark Afternoons After School and Work; ReTired, it Doesn't

Really Matter; Yet i Do Enjoy A Drive to the Gym in the Daylight
Hours in the Afternoon to Evening Hours as it's Just Safer to Drive in

Daylight Hours...

Considering, the Bill For
Year 'Round 'Day Light Savings
Time,' Passed in the Senate, it Appears
It's Gonna Be A Given For the House and
President Signing it For No More Standard

Time
Coming
in 2023;

Yawn, i Welcome Change now
With Ease; Yet it's Gonna Be Difficult
For Kids Walking Distances to School
in the Dark, Particularly Without an Umbrella and such...

On the Other Hand, All that Walking Early in Life Has Surely
Helped Keep My Wife in Pristine 'Teen-Age Shape' All the Way
into Her Age 52, Coming in April. Epigenetic Change Through

Challenge, Can and
Will Lead to Life

Long Differences
in Health And Well Being;

In My Area, Very Rarely Do Children
Even Get Out of 'The Cave' And
Electronic Media Screens

To Feel the
Sunshine

And Hear
The Birds
And Play Originally
In Creative Play to Regulate
Emotions And Integrate Senses
From Head to toe That Truly Can and
Will Lead to the Ability to Originally Play and Slay Fear...

And Even Learn to Get along with Other Kids in Flesh and Blood too...

True,

Some Humans Are Not
Playing Appropriately
Enough to Slay Fears 'These Days'
And Actually Enjoy Being Happy

Generating Their
'Day Light'
Savings'

Within,

Naturally
Through a World
of Original Creativity
in Play, Where They Aren't
Trapped in Someone Else's

World in
a Screen...

True, 'Alice'
And 'Wonderland'

Is Here Now, And Some
Folks Have little perspective
of What Life Looks Like on
'The Other Side of the Mirror'...

And Folks Wonder Why We Are one
of the Richest Countries in Having Stuff;

Yet, Mental Disorders Are Sky Rocketing

Among Most All Ages; Particularly, Younger Generations...

The Problems
Are Most
Definitely
Pervasive
And Common
Sense as Well for
Those Who Still Have
Perspective to Understand Why...

My Wife Actually Has the Ability
to Generate Happiness Within With Minimal Requirements of 'Stuff.'

She Can Even Go to the Mall and Leave Without Any Heavy Bags in Tow, Hehe...

How Rare That is, Yes indeed, in All My 'World Travels,' 'These Days' FOR REAL...

Yet of Course to
Her An Umbrella
in the Rain Seems Like Heaven...

Perspective,
Perspective,
Perspective Indeed...

Yawn, A Smile is Enough for me
Both Given and Received FOR REAL...
Fortunately, My Wife is Gifted That Way at Home FOR REAL too...

She Never Lost the Ability to Feel a Smile for 66 Months; It's True, i Have
Even

More
Perspective
This Way than Even
Her, And All Her Relatives
Who Survived 'The Famine' too...

Yawn, Bring on the LiGHT, BRing on the DarK
i'm Gonna Keep SMiLinG, Cause i Can and Will;

No Matter DarK or LiGHT

Or Any Season Outside of
The Weather i Create Within;

What's Really Amazing is
How Hard it is For So
Many Folks to Smile
Now; From Ages
Young to Old;

The Same Age

of the Smile

That Just Won't
Return For Real Within...



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16 Mar 2022, 1:34 pm

If I hear about DST one more time, I swear I am going to scream. It's stupid. When I was a kid it was so simple. An announcement would come on TV on Saturday reminding you to turn your clocks back or forwards one hour before going to bed that night. And that was that. Now every year I have to hear the same garbage about DST is physically dangerous and responsible for war and plague and withered crops and itchy clothes lol, and should be banned altogether. But they never do and it stays the same year after year so just get over it.



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17 Mar 2022, 4:58 pm

Fnord wrote:
As long as we end the need to change our clocks (and sleep patterns) twice a year, I am for it.


As am I.


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17 Mar 2022, 5:17 pm

"Thanks" to my sleep cycle now being a scrambled mess from endocrine disease the clock changes have no discernible effect on my life and being.


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17 Mar 2022, 5:55 pm

I agree with this. I am tired of the time changing.



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17 Mar 2022, 7:18 pm

Hmm, I wonder how long next school year it will take before various and sundry flavors of predators see the tactical advantages of abducting children on their way to school in the morning dark?


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18 Mar 2022, 2:26 am

i do NOT want permanent DST. i want it back to natural, for one it simplifies the casting of horoscope charts without having to add/subtract an hour. my japanese mother told me that in japan they didn't have DST per se, but instead a cultural thing that told them to start for work an hour earlier or later on certain dates.



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18 Mar 2022, 8:46 am

Do Americans Really Want Permanent Daylight Saving Time? - By Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux and Jean Yi for FiveThirtyEight

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Congress can’t agree on much lately — except, apparently, their hatred of changing the clocks twice a year. On Tuesday, just after Americans set their clocks an hour forward over the weekend, the Senate unanimously passed a bill that would make daylight saving time permanent (although they still have to send it to the House for consideration).

Supporters of the bill presented it as a gift for a groggy country struggling to get its sleep back on track. And it’s true that the annual clock-changing ritual is not especially popular. A Monmouth University poll conducted March 10-14 found that only 35 percent of Americans wanted to keep resetting their clocks every fall and spring, while a YouGov poll conducted March 16 found that 59 percent of Americans wanted to see daylight saving time made permanent.

In other words, putting the whole country on daylight saving time year-round seems like a no-brainer. But we’ve been there before, and it’s still unclear whether Americans would actually like permanent daylight saving time if they got it. Because while longer afternoons and a consistent schedule are appealing, there’s a tradeoff — dark winter mornings.

In the past four years, support for making daylight saving time permanent has really gained steam, and not just in Congress. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 18 states have passed legislation or enacted resolutions that would switch to permanent daylight saving time if Congress allowed it (and in some cases, if surrounding states also made the change).

Of course, federal law doesn’t currently allow for permanent daylight saving time, so Congress has to take the lead, which is why the bill that just passed is a big step for proponents of daylight saving time.

Originally, daylight saving time was implemented during World War I as a way to conserve energy. The idea was that changing the clocks during the months with the most sunlight would encourage people to use less electricity. That doesn’t seem to be the case, though. Instead, the real winners of daylight saving time are businesses, since people are more likely to go out and shop when they have an extra hour or two of sunlight after work. So, a switch to permanent daylight saving time would be a boon for lots of industries — especially those for outdoor activities like sports and gardening.

What everyday people actually want, though, isn’t as clear. Polling shows that people generally don’t like the disruption of gaining or losing an hour twice a year, although their feelings might not be as strong as politicians make it out to be. In an Economist/YouGov poll conducted days before the clocks changed in November, for instance, only 21 percent of Americans said they were looking forward to the end of daylight saving time coming up, while 34 percent said they weren’t looking forward to it; 38 percent said they didn’t care. But there was more consensus on the concept of changing the clocks than on the solution: Among the 63 percent of people who wanted to eliminate the practice of gaining or losing an hour, 48 percent said they wanted permanent daylight saving time, 29 percent said they wanted permanent standard time and 21 percent had no preference.

Older Americans, it turns out, are also much more likely than younger Americans to dislike the time changes. The Economist/YouGov poll found that an overwhelming majority of respondents 65 and over (77 percent) wanted to eliminate the twice-yearly time change compared with less than half of respondents age 18 to 29 (42 percent). To be clear, those younger people aren’t strongly in favor of keeping the clock change

This division could hint at one of the big reasons why people really don’t like changing the clocks: It can be physically disruptive. Messing with sleep patterns can affect our eating habits or mental functioning throughout the day. And an abrupt shift like adding or losing an hour can be especially troublesome for older people, who may already have more fragmented sleep. It can also upset bedtimes and nap routines for small children, and even make pets fussy.

But in exchange for later sunsets, people have to be OK with dark mornings. And that’s not a universally popular tradeoff. Americans actually experimented with permanent daylight saving time starting in January 1974, and it didn’t go well. As reported in The Washington Post, support for year-round daylight saving time fell from a majority in late 1973 to around 30 percent in February and March 1974. According to Louis Harris polling that March, people were much more likely to say the change was a bad idea (43 percent) than a good one (19 percent). Parents who found themselves sending their children to school on pitch-black, cold winter mornings were particularly upset.1 But anyone who wakes up on the early side — which many Americans do — might also dislike slogging through an extra hour of darkness as they begin their day.

Some sleep scientists have argued that permanent standard time is more in sync with our body’s natural rhythms. We might like an extra hour of light at the end of the day, their argument goes, but we need that extra hour of morning light. And regional differences play a role, too. It’s probably no coincidence that one of permanent daylight saving time’s biggest boosters is Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, since states farther south aren’t running the risk of a 9 a.m. sunrise, even at the darkest times of year. But northern states, and states on the western edges of time zones, would face longer stretches of morning darkness.


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18 Mar 2022, 2:40 pm

I've always kind of hated DST. Now that I have a toddler who doesn't like to sleep...I really hate it. Just when we think we've got his sleep schedule under control, WHAM! now we have to try shifting it by an entire hour.

I always hate the Summer months, being told that I had to be in bed by 9 or 10 PM, but the sun doesn't set until 11 (it's a lot darker out and sometimes the weather gets cooler after it sets, which makes it a lot easier to sleep). It's also hard to enjoy things like drive-in movies or fireworks when you have to wait until dusk.

I'd prefer to have it OFF 100%, it makes more sense. The time is based on the position of the sun, not the opening and closing of businesses...if businesses want more sunlight, there's no law that says they have to open or close at a certain time (is there?).

auntblabby wrote:
...a cultural thing that told them to start for work an hour earlier or later on certain dates.


^ This, exactly.


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