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have you any faith that america can at least slow the occurrence of these things?
at this point, no. :| 59%  59%  [ 10 ]
of course yes [insert simple solution to complex problem here] :| 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
i'm not sure. :| 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
damn it to hell! what's the matter with us?! :x 24%  24%  [ 4 ]
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02 Jun 2022, 7:14 am

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/us/tulsa ... index.html
yesterday, June 1, 2022, another shooter snapped, this time on a Tulsa hospital campus, killing 5. click the link in order to learn more.
[EDITORIAL] present trends suggest that soon enough it will be every day, then multiple times a day. what will we ever do?



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02 Jun 2022, 8:21 am

According to various reliable news sources, the shooter was looking for a specific doctor, and not necessarily seeking to kill as many people as possible.  He was found dead, of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, in a room with two other dead people.  This seems more of a targeted vendetta killing than an intentional mass murder.

Details are still herd to come by.



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02 Jun 2022, 8:28 am

whatever it is, it still feels "mass-murderey" to me in term of it having happened so close in time to the texas school case, and in the fact that multiple people are shot dead at one place and occasion. will the fact that more of these things are happening at businesses eventually convince more adults to step up to the plate and demand their pols do something?



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02 Jun 2022, 8:30 am

I had a feeling this was one of those the shooter knew the victim episodes.



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02 Jun 2022, 8:35 am

auntblabby wrote:
whatever it is, it still feels "mass-murderey" to me in term of it having happened so close in time to the Texas school case, and in the fact that multiple people are shot dead at one place and occasion.
My Personal Speculation is that only one of the victims was the intended target, while the others just happened to be in the way -- collateral damage, as it were.
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Will the fact that more of these things are happening at businesses eventually convince more adults to step up to the plate and demand their pols do something?
Be careful what you wish for; that "something" you want the pols to do may not be to your liking.



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02 Jun 2022, 8:37 am

Fnord wrote:
Be careful what you wish for; that "something" you want the pols to do may not be to your liking.


will you speculate as to what they may actually do?



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02 Jun 2022, 8:46 am

auntblabby wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Be careful what you wish for; that "something" you want the pols to do may not be to your liking.
will you speculate as to what they may actually do?
My speculation is based on established facts.  Your wish was just a wish.

I also wish the politicians would do something, especially those who claim to be of the "Right to Life" movement.

I often wonder why it is that for many politicians, their interest in a person's right to life ends when that person is born.



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02 Jun 2022, 8:48 am

my guess is that many in that movement are not as caring as they make abundant noises to be.



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02 Jun 2022, 9:32 am

It was "White Supremacy"...
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Source: https://twitter.com/AMBichotte/status/1532173372054020097

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Shooter died from ’self-inflicted’ gunshot wound

The Tulsa police department has not released the name of the shooter or any information regarding those shot because of an ongoing investigation at the scene.

Addressing a press conference, deputy police chief Eric Dalgleish said the shooter was a Black male, aged between 35 and 40.

He died from fatal gunshot wounds believed to have been “self-inflicted”.

Source:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tulsa-oklahoma-hospital-shooting-today-bomb-b2092433.html?page=2



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02 Jun 2022, 9:37 am

Brictoria wrote:
It was "White Supremacy"...
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Source: https://twitter.com/AMBichotte/status/1532173372054020097

Pure speculation on the part of someone not directly involved in the investigation. In addition, Rodneyse Bichotte Hermelyn is an American politician who serves as the Assembly Member for the 42nd District of the New York State Assembly.  She was not even in Oklahoma at the time.



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02 Jun 2022, 9:44 am

During a news conference at 7:15 p.m., Eric Dalgleish, a deputy chief for Tulsa police, confirmed that the shooting left four people dead in addition to the shooter, meaning an updated count of five total deaths.

Dalgleish said that Tulsa police received a call about an active shooter at the Natalie Building at 4:52 p.m., officers arrived at 4:56, and made contact with the victims and suspect on the second floor at 5:01.

The identity of the shooter was not yet released, but Dalgleish said he was believed to be a "Black male estimated to be 35 to 40 years old", and mentioned that "he had one long gun (a rifle) and one handgun on the scene at the time".

A man who blamed his surgeon for ongoing pain after a recent back surgery bought an AR-style rifle hours before opening fire at a Tulsa medical office, killing the surgeon and three other people before fatally shooting himself, police said Thursday.

Tulsa Police Chief Wendell Franklin says the gunman had recently undergone back surgery and had called a clinic repeatedly complaining of pain.

Franklin says the doctor who performed the surgery, Dr. Preston Phillips, was among those killed Wednesday.

“We also have a letter on the suspect, which made it clear that he came in with the intent to kill Dr. Phillips and anyone who got in his way,” Franklin said. “He blamed Dr. Phillips for the ongoing pain following the surgery.”

"White Supremacy" was clearly NOT an issue.  Get your facts straight  HERE  and  HERE 



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02 Jun 2022, 12:09 pm

Tulsa police: New details behind Tulsa shooting revealed

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Tulsa leaders and officials came together in a press conference Thursday morning to reveal details about the active shooter situation.

Who were the victims? Who is the gunman?
During a press conference, TPD Police Chief Wendell Franklin revealed the identities of the victims of the deadly shooting:

Dr. Preston Phillips
Dr. Stephanie Husen
Amanda Glenn, a receptionist
William Love, a patient
He then identified the gunman as Michael Louis who died by a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

What were the gunman's motives?
Frankin details that Louis had gone to Dr. Phillips for back surgery. Lewis was released on May 24 but kept calling the office over several days complaining of pain and wanting more treatment.

On May 31, Louis saw Dr. Phillips again to seek more treatment. He then called the office again on June 1 complaining of pain and wanting more assistance.

A letter was found later on the Louis who made it clear that he came into the hospital to kill Dr. Phillips and anyone who stood in his way. He specifically blamed Dr. Phillips for the ongoing pain following his back surgery.

The timeline of the shooting
ATF officials say that Louis purchased a semi-automatic handgun on May 29, then purchased a semi-automatic rifle from a local gun store on the day of the shooting.

Around 4:50 p.m. on Wednesday, a video chat with a doctor in the orthopedic office called 911 saying a doctor told her to call. Minutes later, 911 calls about a shooter in the building came through dispatch. Additional calls revealed the shooting happened in the Natalie Building, a 5-story building with numerous offices and practices.

By 4:56 p.m., Tulsa police arrived on the scene to respond to the situation.

On the 2nd floor, officers identified themselves and advanced toward the suspect where they hear the final gunshot. They found the suspect and rescued a woman hiding under a desk. She was there when he took his life but was not injured.

They continued their search for victims and rescued an elderly woman from a room with one of the victims. They later found Dr. Phillips dead.

Multiple witnesses and victims spoke with the police about their experiences of the shooting.

Police discovered dozens of casings from both the handgun and the rifle on the scene. Officers remained on scene investigating until 3 a.m. before turning the facility back over to hospital staff.

Without knowing the exact medical situation of the murderer I am not surprised he was still feeling pain. I have been most fortunate I have not had back problems so far. Back injuries are a b***h. They often leave the toughest people screaming in agony. Once you injure it is often chronic. The slightest movement often reinjures the back immobilizing you in excruciating pain. I know a bunch of people who were starting to feel better tried to lift something then kapow.

Today we have been conditioned to expect instant gratification. Back operations are not like a delete button where it just goes away.

I have had two tongue replacement operations and stoke and I consider them the lesser of two evils when compared with back injuries.


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02 Jun 2022, 9:29 pm

^^^tell me about it. :| i wish i could have helped that man, i have much experience dealing with back damage/pain, i might have been able to help him deal with it less homicidally.



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03 Jun 2022, 6:52 am

I know somebody who'se wife is racked by chronic pain following an operation. I can to some extent understand the resentment the guy had against the surgeon but he obviously made the wrong choice and now caused other innocent people to suffer.

The only sensible thing the shooter did was blow his own brains out otherwise the cops would have happily obliged.



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03 Jun 2022, 7:39 am

i wish i could have steered the guy to proper physical/occupational therapy, that is what kept me from the surgeon's knife and probable later complications.



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03 Jun 2022, 6:07 pm

auntblabby wrote:
i wish i could have steered the guy to proper physical/occupational therapy, that is what kept me from the surgeon's knife and probable later complications.


Chronic pain is the bain of many people's lives. I can't imagine what it's like. Unfortunately this guy chose to exact vengeance on his surgeon and others in the clinic before ending his own pain. Perhaps if he didn't have access to a weapon he might have quietly gassed himself or jumped of a bridge.