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27 Dec 2022, 9:33 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
I'm curious why Abbott isn't arrested over these stunts?
Obtuse...
Texas is being OVERRUN, how can you not get this? I'm super glad you live in a world where everyone skips to mylou, there's plenty of space, food, housing for millions of people showing up in a relatively short span of time. We don't, the only way our crooked administration might help is they're forced to personally deal with what they've created.
Didn't DeSantis do the same thing?
The left of politics "skreamed blue murder" when that was done, also.
NIMBY-itis (Not In My Back Yard)?
I posted recently about an incident where I gave money to a refugee who was unfazed by $20. She grabbed hold of my hand and started praying for $100, in Jesus name. Now, I'm a believer in prayer and Jesus. I think $100 is not a large amount of money, especially if a group of people get together to give it. It was more than I could afford to give, all by myself, that day. I told her so, she began praying for $40. I just withdrew at that point and she accepted the $20.
This is in Florida. And it's only going to get worse. It may take a while, but eventually everyone is going to be touched in some way by the desperation of unchecked immigration, lack of jobs, lack of housing, etc... It can come fast (shipping them to government officials, where they might be considered a nuisance but it's likely they will not be shot) or where Buffalo, N.Y. is giving the go ahead to shoot looters.
Even now, Florida is trying to pass a law where anyone can conceal carry.
This was always going to end in tragedy, it's just a matter of when.
I'm always shocked at the logic of the people who think that any society is capable or willing to shoulder the burden of a large amount of invaders. The First Nations people didn't win, but they fought back.
Desperate refugees are not invaders. In all likelihood, you had had ancestors who came to America in similar desperate straights, and who were not welcome by some Americans who didn't think the promise of this country applied to immigrants.
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27 Dec 2022, 9:37 pm
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I guess I should clarify "lack of jobs off the books." Even with the border wide open, there will still be 'stops' along the way. A big draw in Florida, especially in Ocala, Fl. where I grew up, are the horse farms. Hispanic workers can work (be exploited) by working for less cash and remaining hidden from the IRS. The jobs are there, but not enough to accommodate these numbers.
Many, many, many people can come. But the regular businesses will not hire them unless they have a social security number... And the off the books jobs will reach a limit.
Many, many, many people can come. But the regular businesses will not hire them unless they have a social security number... And the off the books jobs will reach a limit.
1. The border is not wide open. It hasn't changed since the last administration, which didn't change all the much from the one before it, really - just a bunch more bluster and BS in the news more than anything.
2. Those off the books jobs are a huge part of the US economy and exist out of necessity and mutual benefit. They could be more legitimately on the books, but no matter which way you slice it, migrant workers are going to do the work so that citizens have groceries to purchase at the market, so no real sense in whining about the fact that it's happening. When the jobs, on the record or off, are filled and there's an excess of migrant labour, fewer people will come for work. There's a natural balance to things even if it's not all accounted for on some IRS tax form.
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27 Dec 2022, 10:22 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
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^ which is why I said the First Nations people fought back, and well they should have.
Both sides of my family immigrated around the same time, my Dad's family a little earlier. Late 19th, early 20th centuries... through Ellis Island. My maternal great-grandfather was given a grant to open up a Diner (he was from Greece), my paternal great-greats headed for the hills of Appalachia. They became farmers and coal miners.
Both sides of my family immigrated around the same time, my Dad's family a little earlier. Late 19th, early 20th centuries... through Ellis Island. My maternal great-grandfather was given a grant to open up a Diner (he was from Greece), my paternal great-greats headed for the hills of Appalachia. They became farmers and coal miners.
Refugees as not killing Americans and taking our land as had been done to Native Americans. Again, a migration of desperate people looking to improve their lives aren't invaders.
You represent one voice, I represent another. Neither has the market cornered on popular opinion... An individual requesting admission to a country through proper channels is an immigrant, a large number of people traveling to a country who may not be prepared to handle the needs of a drastic population increase, is an invasion. You aren't being touched by it now, when you are you'll remember this conversation. Eventually you will be...
It still doesn't qualify as an invasion. Legal or not, they are still immigrants.
They're neither invaders nor immigrants.
They're refugees.. and trekking to a physical port of entry and declaring themselves as refugees seeking asylum in the USA IS the legal process they're supposed to follow. There is no online refugee application queue to register on.. they're supposed to come and make their application in person. They're doing as they're legally supposed to for this process.
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27 Dec 2022, 10:25 pm
Mona Pereth wrote:
I think the most important question is: Why do we have so much migration from Mexico and Central America, in the first place?
Here is info from some relevant charities:
- ASJ
- World Vision
I think it's time to take a good, hard look at whatever foreign aid the U.S. government is giving to Mexico and the Central American countries and find some good ways to make it more effective, maybe increase it if necessary, or maybe encourage their governments to make some necessary changes. Is there anything we can do to help them build better infrastructure, for example? In general I think we need to do more to help our southern neighbors, both via government foreign aid and via private charities such as the afore-mentioned.
If we don't, then these countries will likely -- sooner or later -- go looking for friends elsewhere. And we, in the U.S.A., may even end up with Chinese or Russian troops at our southern border.
Am I the only person here in the U.S.A. who worries about this obvious possibility?
Here is info from some relevant charities:
- ASJ
- World Vision
I think it's time to take a good, hard look at whatever foreign aid the U.S. government is giving to Mexico and the Central American countries and find some good ways to make it more effective, maybe increase it if necessary, or maybe encourage their governments to make some necessary changes. Is there anything we can do to help them build better infrastructure, for example? In general I think we need to do more to help our southern neighbors, both via government foreign aid and via private charities such as the afore-mentioned.
If we don't, then these countries will likely -- sooner or later -- go looking for friends elsewhere. And we, in the U.S.A., may even end up with Chinese or Russian troops at our southern border.
Am I the only person here in the U.S.A. who worries about this obvious possibility?
Two things Americans can do to slow migration North:
1. A rain dance. There's no water in some of these drought stricken regions.. no water, no food, nothing to drink = must relocate to survive.
2. Stop doing drugs that are produced in these countries, resulting in massive criminal cartels and political instability. If Americans stopped doing illicit drugs, these countries wouldn't have many of the criminal problems they have.
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