Great news for everyone who hates the American Empire

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According to this article we'll be wiped out by 2030.

https://bigthink.com/the-present/the-fa ... historian/

Yup, I know most of you guys are rooting for this to happen. Don't even try to fake like you don't want it. But as the old saying goes be careful what you guys wish for.

And the headline following it is:

"We Are “Extragalactic Immigrants” from Faraway Galaxies, Discover Astrophysicists"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_W._McCoy

This McCoy guy sounds legit.

I mean come on, we all know that the US of A has become a turd floating in the toilet of the world stage with the Right hand and Left hand deciding over who gets to flush it down into the void.

Seems fitting

Given how often you go on about this, it kind of sounds like you're the one rooting for it to happen.

Nope, we will be fine.

China: huge demographic issues in next century with declining population. This will severely stress their retirement system. We have that too but we also allow immigrants in.

Europe? same thing, they can't even agree to defend Europe

Whats next? India? c'mon. India is a basketcase.

I for one think we can be a great force for good, and the war in Ukraine is an example. The last one was Korea, and before that was WW2. America is willing to be the arsenal of democracy.

The proper way to assess the "American Empire" is to borrow from baseball. In baseball they have this term called "wins over replacement," which measures the impact of a player if they were to be replaced by an average player. If you have a positive value, it means the player gets your more wins over the average at that position.

America has a low "evil over replacement" value. In the late 1800s tiny Belgium was responsible for like 10 million deaths in modern day Zaire. Thats more evil than the US has done in the 20th and 21st century. The British empire was far more evil as well, and they were a smaller country as well. We are a large country that if we truly "turned evil," we could really build an empire.

We did our evil in the earlier days when we pushed the natives off the land, but I would argue that most of the evil by that point had been done by Spain, Britain, and France. We just kindof kept on pushing and the realization was that if the US didn't take the land, another of the Great Powers would have. Russia had Alaska.

that is exactly the wrong reading.

Oh yes you better believe I want it to happen. Because it means people around the world like you will be dragged into hell along with the rest of us.

I'm an American. I thus have a vested interest in the country surviving.

America was a failed democracy long before Trump hit the scene.....

I mean its been a topic here in Australia for years...and the sane amongst us here have been trying our darndest to not let our politics descend into the mess your freakshow is....i cannot imagine how it must be to get up every day going to work and working hard when literally the entire artifice you call government was up earlier and working its hardest to work against you....

The irony is your country is always trying to hold itself up as a beacon of democracy, yet so many seemed to have missed the irony that its anything but

What American needs is a benevolent dictatorship, but the best you seem to be able to muster is wholly corrupt faux democratic one

Nobody has yet pointed out that this article was written at the start of the Trump administration and seems to make the usual intellectual mistake of assuming a (then) current trend will continue indefinitely.

To address some other comments, historically the US has reaped economic benefits from wars, a possible exception being the war in Iraq which was the biggest foreign policy mistake the US made in my lifetime (the Vietnam War in contrast had some points in its favor). Involvement in Ukraine (if that's what the OP has in mind) won't necessarily devastate the US as it is devastating Ukraine.

What outsiders don't understand is we have multiple governments. State governments are fairly close to being a "perfect democracy" but the main problem is turnout in state elections are low.

The Federal Government was set up to be the government of things that affect all states and in between states. It is only in the past 100 years or so that there has been increased focus on making the Federal government more of a democracy with the direct election of Senators. Before then, the Federal government wasn't seen as something that should impact your daily life - it was the State's job to do that. It was after FDR and numerous Federal safety nets were implemented that it started to matter more in daily lives.

More work is to be done for sure but it is not as dire as you think. And no, we do not need a dictatorship of any sort. Trump and MAGA is just the Boomers kicking and screaming on their way out.

No we did not reap economic benefits from wars. We are still paying ~$50 billion a year on Vietnam veterans health care. We are still paying billions more in interest on the debt we got from doing it. Thats not counting the tens of thousands of Americans who lost their lives, the many more who were maimed physically, and those that were maimed mentally.

Sure, if you were a defense contractor it made you rich. But it did not make the country as a whole richer.

The same is true for every other war - we would have been better off not having the war. War only makes you richer when not having it makes you poorer, like if not having it means living under foreign occupation.

I must say I never expected to see your country turn against itself in my lifetime. No nation seemed more proud and patriotic across the political divide.
From a distance it seems absolutely nuts what's going on there now and very dangerous. Assuming we don't have World War III, I'd now bet on North America - rather than India/Pakistan - ultimately degenerating into the world's first ever nuclear missile exchange, between two independent states formerly known as the United States of America.

Nope this is nuttier than a Trump voter. This is basically propaganda that folks like Putin want you to believe.

We are not as divided as you think, and most of the division is concentrated in the old people. Once they die off, it will be a different country.